4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

[Making_Splinters]

also it is a myth that Hales is a dynamic player so far in his short international career in odi/test he has failed to score runs off good deliveries isn't able to score at a quick pace.
really hales is quite limited in his stroke play.
not that it means he can't play Test but not sure he is the dynamic or attacking player people think he is.

He has a strike rate of 91 in odi cricket and it has been going up

TBH going with what I see with my eye and not the stats, but at the moment as an opposition captain think you feel that you can keep hales quiet or stop him scoring.
Anyway even in ODI he is a slow starter but does score quickly when set which most people do in the white ball cricket.

Think the point still remains hales struggles to score off good balls.

Hales has always been a slow started in white ball cricket domestically, he found success with Lumb at the other end for Notts who could get the innings going. Unsurprisingly he really struggled when brought in to open with Cook and expected to play the Lumb role internationally.

Most players struggle to score off good balls, that's why they're called good balls!

[backfootpunch]

This series so many decisions have been so marginal they are giving out crazy. No way could those onfield umpires have seen that was a legal catch,if they did why ask for help dreadful decision.

Yasir conned them with his celebration

There is no way he knew it carried and the angle they had suggested it didn't but was too far away to overturn the soft signal

[Dr Cricket]

Can't call it lottery pitches if the best team always wins, SA won few tosses against india and still loss and india won 2 tosses against england and still loss.

[Making_Splinters]

I'd keep Hales anyway because he looks a decent player, and wouldn't rule him out after a poor series in India if they are played on borderline lottery pitches. Though if India open with their spinners, there might be a case for England leaving out Hales and going straight into their middle order out there.

Trouble is, the number four is doing worse!

Vince has had a better series than Hales. That said whereas Hales has gotten out to good balls a few times in this series, Vince has gotten himself out every time.

[backfootpunch]

also it is a myth that Hales is a dynamic player so far in his short international career in odi/test he has failed to score runs off good deliveries isn't able to score at a quick pace.
really hales is quite limited in his stroke play.
not that it means he can't play Test but not sure he is the dynamic or attacking player people think he is.

He has a strike rate of 91 in odi cricket and it has been going up

TBH going with what I see with my eye and not the stats, but at the moment as an opposition captain think you feel that you can keep hales quiet or stop him scoring.
Anyway even in ODI he is a slow starter but does score quickly when set which most people do in the white ball cricket.

Think the point still remains hales struggles to score off good balls.

Hales has always been a slow started in white ball cricket domestically, he found success with Lumb at the other end for Notts who could get the innings going. Unsurprisingly he really struggled when brought in to open with Cook and expected to play the Lumb role internationally.

Most players struggle to score off good balls, that's why they're called good balls!

That's why roy is in the team

Roy goes from ball one which allows hales a few overs to play himself in

They are an excellent opening partnership, it's looking like they could be our best odi opening partners ever

[Dr Cricket]

also it is a myth that Hales is a dynamic player so far in his short international career in odi/test he has failed to score runs off good deliveries isn't able to score at a quick pace.
really hales is quite limited in his stroke play.
not that it means he can't play Test but not sure he is the dynamic or attacking player people think he is.

He has a strike rate of 91 in odi cricket and it has been going up

TBH going with what I see with my eye and not the stats, but at the moment as an opposition captain think you feel that you can keep hales quiet or stop him scoring.
Anyway even in ODI he is a slow starter but does score quickly when set which most people do in the white ball cricket.

Think the point still remains hales struggles to score off good balls.

Hales has always been a slow started in white ball cricket domestically, he found success with Lumb at the other end for Notts who could get the innings going. Unsurprisingly he really struggled when brought in to open with Cook and expected to play the Lumb role internationally.

Most players struggle to score off good balls, that's why they're called good balls!

actually the good players have a smaller margin of what could be good balls, think Hales got more areas where you can say the ball troubles him although that doesn't have to be a problems since Cook really has a lot of areas where the ball troubles him or can't score runs off.

[hopeforthebest]

Exactly, they can't take two or three untried batsmen on tour, their short-sightedness might come and bite them in the ass.

[Making_Splinters]

also it is a myth that Hales is a dynamic player so far in his short international career in odi/test he has failed to score runs off good deliveries isn't able to score at a quick pace.
really hales is quite limited in his stroke play.
not that it means he can't play Test but not sure he is the dynamic or attacking player people think he is.

He has a strike rate of 91 in odi cricket and it has been going up

TBH going with what I see with my eye and not the stats, but at the moment as an opposition captain think you feel that you can keep hales quiet or stop him scoring.
Anyway even in ODI he is a slow starter but does score quickly when set which most people do in the white ball cricket.

Think the point still remains hales struggles to score off good balls.

Hales has always been a slow started in white ball cricket domestically, he found success with Lumb at the other end for Notts who could get the innings going. Unsurprisingly he really struggled when brought in to open with Cook and expected to play the Lumb role internationally.

Most players struggle to score off good balls, that's why they're called good balls!

That's why roy is in the team

Roy goes from ball one which allows hales a few overs to play himself in

They are an excellent opening partnership, it's looking like they could be our best odi opening partners ever

Indeed, I was more commenting on the idea that Hales' isn't a blaster, which to those who watch domestic cricket is no suprise.

[Dr Cricket]

Exactly, they can't take two or three untried batsmen on tour, their short-sightedness might come and bite them in the ass.

The squad to india would be interesting, I would take a slightly bigger tour party since I think you would need a 3rd opener and possible replacement for Vince, balance, plus another keeper, spinner and pace men.

England don't often carry 2 or 3 spare batsman so it would be unique but with the question marks in the team their probably would need it since it could be a long tour and new faces need to be near by.

[hopeforthebest]

Run rate 4.8 an over, England batsmen are in a hurry.

[Dr Cricket]

He has a strike rate of 91 in odi cricket and it has been going up

TBH going with what I see with my eye and not the stats, but at the moment as an opposition captain think you feel that you can keep hales quiet or stop him scoring.
Anyway even in ODI he is a slow starter but does score quickly when set which most people do in the white ball cricket.

Think the point still remains hales struggles to score off good balls.

Hales has always been a slow started in white ball cricket domestically, he found success with Lumb at the other end for Notts who could get the innings going. Unsurprisingly he really struggled when brought in to open with Cook and expected to play the Lumb role internationally.

Most players struggle to score off good balls, that's why they're called good balls![/quote]

That's why roy is in the team

Roy goes from ball one which allows hales a few overs to play himself in

They are an excellent opening partnership, it's looking like they could be our best odi opening partners ever[/quote]

Indeed, I was more commenting on the idea that Hales' isn't a blaster, which to those who watch domestic cricket is no suprise.[/quote]

think someone needs to tell the English management that since I don't think hales is going to blast teams or be the attacking batsman in test like hayden etc was.

[Dr Cricket]

Run rate 4.8 an over, England batsmen are in a hurry.

no surprise pakistan are probably the worse team with the new ball, says something when Sri lanka bowled better with the new cherry.
probably the first time ever Cook has look fluent tell you how bad pakistan have been with the new ball.

[backfootpunch]

Pakistans bowling to cook has been naive

Everyone in world cricket knows not to bowl short or straight to him

Full and outside off all day and he will get out

[backfootpunch]

Kids tickets £30 is genuinely appalling

[Dr Cricket]

Kids tickets £30 is genuinely appalling

oval was crazy expensive for the game.
Was kind of good ticket sales were crap for the game so prices went down nearer to it but still it is pathetic charging 80+ for adults.
They did give discount closer to the test but still those prices shouldn't be on.