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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby shankycricket » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:41 am

Not as bad as India's bowling cupboard though. :(
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:52 am

I bet it's the same squad as SL.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby D/L » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:40 pm

Dr Robert wrote:I can see Ali, and Root backing up the four seamers as before. One change though. Stoles for Jordan. It seems like England's spinning cupboard is as bare as our world class Footballers cupboard.

If Stokes is brought in, it should be to replace Broad.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:43 pm

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Dr Robert wrote:I can see Ali, and Root backing up the four seamers as before. One change though. Stoles for Jordan. It seems like England's spinning cupboard is as bare as our world class Footballers cupboard.

If Stokes is brought in, it should be to replace Broad.


Broad did take a hat-trick though, and is a proven wicket taker, unlike Jordan. I know Broad wasn't at his best, but he should improve.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:59 pm

Broad and Anderson could both do with a long rest. When do we play Bangladesh next?
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby shankycricket » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:04 pm

Aidan11 wrote:Broad and Anderson could both do with a long rest. When do we play Bangladesh next?

Next week.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:49 pm

shankycricket wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:Broad and Anderson could both do with a long rest. When do we play Bangladesh next?

Next week.


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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:53 pm

D/L wrote:Bresnan is almost certain to come back into the equation. It's difficult to see why Finn should be under serious consideration at the moment. The apparently automatic assumption that Broad should feature too, though he almost certainly will, is difficult to understand.


Finn is a better long term prospect than Bresnan, and he is performing pretty well at Middlesex, only slightly worse then Bresnan.... his record is better than Bresnan's, and his patch of bad form arguably shorter.

In the last two years Bresnan averages 25-30 runs per wicket more than Broad, and tbf to Broad, his stats are let down badly by the two India matches he played in which he was clearly unfit severely. Broad has been consistently performing pretty damn well, and even in this tour his performance hasn't been very good, but it hasn't been bad enough to ignore his form stretching back now a pretty long time.

With Bresnan's prolonged bad form in mind, I fail to see why Jordan will make way for him, or should. Jordan has had two tests to fail, Bresnan has had two years.....

Stokes is clearly a better long term prospect, and offers a much better batting prospect over Bresnan....

England aren't playing a spinner, and really need to. So someone like Tredwell arguably falls above him in the immediate pecking order, maybe even Monty.

Anderson is a shoe in, Plunkett is looking pretty sound..... Graham Onions has always been a better bowler by far, and he is not even considered, so why Brezzie?

Bresnan shouldn't really be anywhere near the team.... there are guys even uncapped like Roland-Jones id pick over him at the moment.

And while I don't think he is a bad player, and could be useful, he has simply come with too much baggage in recent times to be a longer term pick. He cant get through a series without breaking down.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby shankycricket » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:08 pm

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D/L wrote:Bresnan is almost certain to come back into the equation. It's difficult to see why Finn should be under serious consideration at the moment. The apparently automatic assumption that Broad should feature too, though he almost certainly will, is difficult to understand.


Finn is a better long term prospect than Bresnan, and he is performing pretty well at Middlesex, only slightly worse then Bresnan.... his record is better than Bresnan's, and his patch of bad form arguably shorter.

In the last two years Bresnan averages 25-30 runs per wicket more than Broad, and tbf to Broad, his stats are let down badly by the two India matches he played in which he was clearly unfit severely. Broad has been consistently performing pretty damn well, and even in this tour his performance hasn't been very good, but it hasn't been bad enough to ignore his form stretching back now a pretty long time.

With Bresnan's prolonged bad form in mind, I fail to see why Jordan will make way for him, or should. Jordan has had two tests to fail, Bresnan has had two years.....

Stokes is clearly a better long term prospect, and offers a much better batting prospect over Bresnan....

England aren't playing a spinner, and really need to. So someone like Tredwell arguably falls above him in the immediate pecking order, maybe even Monty.

Anderson is a shoe in, Plunkett is looking pretty sound..... Graham Onions has always been a better bowler by far, and he is not even considered, so why Brezzie?

Bresnan shouldn't really be anywhere near the team.... there are guys even uncapped like Roland-Jones id pick over him at the moment.

And while I don't think he is a bad player, and could be useful, he has simply come with too much baggage in recent times to be a longer term pick. He cant get through a series without breaking down.

Not sure I'd rush Finn back into the test side. There are alternatives out there who are performing well. But if in form, he is England's best ODI bowler. Was ranked number 1 in the world for a fair period of time from mid 2012 till early 2013 until a horrific slump in form. If he is fit, should be back in the ODI squad without a shadow of a doubt.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:24 pm

Not sure I'd rush Finn back into the test side. There are alternatives out there who are performing well. But if in form, he is England's best ODI bowler. Was ranked number 1 in the world for a fair period of time from mid 2012 till early 2013 until a horrific slump in form. If he is fit, should be back in the ODI squad without a shadow of a doubt.


It seems Finn was a victim of the old regime, and unless they extend the olive branch when he is bowling pretty well in county cricket and remind him he is still in their plans, he will then become a victim of the domestic game, a part of the setup that has destroyed many a promising cricketers motivation.

He doesn't need another person to tell him to reinvent the wheel. If he is bowling well, then get him in.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Slipstream » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:04 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I doubt they'll play one at TB. But it might be sensible to send one to the squad pre-match. To cover eventualities.


All the pitches are going to be like roads. Last time we bowled at Trent Bridge Swann bowled 63-14-165-4. Ali and the 4th seamer will have to share those kind of overs. I don't think Cook knows how to handle 5 bowlers. Supposed to be a ground that encourages swing and they might go for horses for courses playing Woakes instead of Stokes just for this one Test.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby D/L » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:59 am

Dr Robert wrote:
D/L wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:I can see Ali, and Root backing up the four seamers as before. One change though. Stoles for Jordan. It seems like England's spinning cupboard is as bare as our world class Footballers cupboard.

If Stokes is brought in, it should be to replace Broad.

Broad did take a hat-trick though, and is a proven wicket taker, unlike Jordan. I know Broad wasn't at his best, but he should improve.

I'd rely more upon how Broad bowled overall, not just on the happenstance timing of his wickets.

Any road up, with a hat-trick, you're likely to have had the advantage of bowling at two batsmen new to the crease.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby D/L » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:03 am

sussexpob wrote:
D/L wrote:Bresnan is almost certain to come back into the equation. It's difficult to see why Finn should be under serious consideration at the moment. The apparently automatic assumption that Broad should feature too, though he almost certainly will, is difficult to understand.

Finn is a better long term prospect than Bresnan, and he is performing pretty well at Middlesex, only slightly worse then Bresnan.... his record is better than Bresnan's, and his patch of bad form arguably shorter.

In the last two years Bresnan averages 25-30 runs per wicket more than Broad, and tbf to Broad, his stats are let down badly by the two India matches he played in which he was clearly unfit severely. Broad has been consistently performing pretty damn well, and even in this tour his performance hasn't been very good, but it hasn't been bad enough to ignore his form stretching back now a pretty long time.

With Bresnan's prolonged bad form in mind, I fail to see why Jordan will make way for him, or should. Jordan has had two tests to fail, Bresnan has had two years.....

Stokes is clearly a better long term prospect, and offers a much better batting prospect over Bresnan....

England aren't playing a spinner, and really need to. So someone like Tredwell arguably falls above him in the immediate pecking order, maybe even Monty.

Anderson is a shoe in, Plunkett is looking pretty sound..... Graham Onions has always been a better bowler by far, and he is not even considered, so why Brezzie?

Bresnan shouldn't really be anywhere near the team.... there are guys even uncapped like Roland-Jones id pick over him at the moment.

And while I don't think he is a bad player, and could be useful, he has simply come with too much baggage in recent times to be a longer term pick. He cant get through a series without breaking down.

Finn is taking an awfully long time to get over his problems and he's a bowler who can't bat, whilst Bresnan is one who can, so the comparison is not strictly valid. Neither, for the same reason, is the one with Onions.

Broad is shot and should not have been selected in the first place.

It is too early to pronounce on either Stokes' or Jordan's prospects.

In the meantime, the selectors know they have a player who can be brought in to do a job.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby alfie » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:34 am

Not sure Broad is "shot".

Think "undercooked" is a better description for his condition for the Sri Lanka series . You might well argue he was a risky selection for that reason ; but with those two matches under his belt I'd expect to see him back closer to his best at Trent Bridge.

As for Bresnan , he seems to have slipped down the pecking order a bit (rather like the unfortunate Onions ) , and the way back looks dependent on a couple of injuries...I like Bresnan ; but with Plunkett coming back from the wilderness so effectively , and Jordan showing promise in both long and short formats , I am not optimistic about his prospects.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby meninblue » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:59 pm

Gary Ballance batting was impressive to me. He may not be the next Trott batting at 3 but has some similar charactersitics like keepign the ball down even after having scored decent number of runs for a test innings. He values his wicket and temperamentally good at shot selection for this format. Also, no major technical blunder that can be spotted like in case of some other batters. Will look how he bats on spin friendly wickets. At least England selectors have found a No 3 with the right approach to bat at that position.
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