FIFA World Cup group stages

[sussexpob]

sussex.

What has Roy done to keep his job?

Tell me, in detail, what you would have done differently.

[budgetmeansbudget]

Quite ironic, some idiotic suggestions coming from everywhere today, the blame game is in full swing.... No one seems to realise though that its actually the "blame game" that causes most of this.

No manager had the balls to ever stamp their authority on a team because they simply cant win.... had Hodgson dropped Rooney and lost, people with revisionist tendencies would have been moaning we left out a bloke with 40 international goals for a 32 year old who hardly played.... so he picks him, and he gets it the other way.

Sacking Hodgson? Brilliant, who do we get in? An ex-player I see suggested? Who then? Worked brilliantly for Argentina and Maradona??? Do we get Shearer and his arrogant, pompous, "couldnt write enough to fill an A5 piece of paper on tactics" type??? Yeah cause what we need is bulldog spirit right?? (Did you see Jags at the end? Or the effort they put in?? POPPYCOCK!!)....

Oh, and when we played with Capello people asked for attacking football, so Hodgson attacks and gets criticised for conceding sloppy goals....

Stop talking *modded*..... England played two top 10 ranked teams and deserved at least a point from both games, arguably to win at least one of them.

They did well, the idiotic suggestions that we should revamp the whole footballing structure are stupid.

Do you really believe there is nothing wrong with English football?

Since we won the WC in 66 our best achievemets in nearly 50 years have been -

European Championships - Semis 1968, 1996
WC - Semis 1990

Look at Germany, Holland, France, Italy, Spain. They reach semi finals and finals without breaking sweat.

Until something drastically changes we will dine out forever on Geoff Hurst#s hat trick.

And that was only thanks to a optically challenged Russian linesman.

[Gingerfinch]

sussex.

What has Roy done to keep his job?

Tell me, in detail, what you would have done differently.

At least got off my arris, to instruct and inspire. Imagine being a player, and looking over to see him sat there looking confused. The team he picked was ok, imo, but results matter. He's had two tournaments, which is enough.

[sussexpob]

Do you really believe there is nothing wrong with English football?

How many Uruguay players in their world cup team play for Penarol, the current Primera Champions??

0

How many of their team play in Uruguay full stop??

0

Where does there best player play?????

England - apparently good international quality players cant play here though because there is so much wrong with it.

Does the strength of a domestic league matter about your national team?

Apparently not

[Durhamfootman]

If England were surprisingly good for the first hour against Italy, they were unsurprisingly ordinary for the first hour against Uruguay. If Welbeck was surprisingly good for an hour against Italy, he was unsurprisingly ineffective against Uruguay. If Sturridge surprisingly scored against Italy, he was back to his usual profligate self last night.

Yet as SP rightly points out, we weren't overwhelmed by either of these two teams. We lost, but we weren't overwhelmed.

I said it before the tournament even began, once we get this over and done with, we can get rid of the last remnants of the 'golden' generation' who won nowt, yet racked up 100 caps each. I can't imagine there would be another country in the world where so many players can win 100 caps, let alone win 100 caps despite winning nothing.

I wouldn't get rid of Roy. He's probably the most experienced manager who would want to do the job. (Maybe Hoddle, tactically, but he has lots of baggage).

Time now to invest in youth, the way the Germans did before the 2006 world cup qualifying began. Find some systems to combat the various styles and conditions found in global events, and pick the players who can fit into those systems. Make sure that all the young hopefuls understand that if their agents negotiate them a big money move to a huge club in order to sit on the bench, then they won't be considered for England selection. It won't give us a team capable of winning the Euro's in 2 years time, but it might give us a team who go into the next WC with some realistic levels of national expectation, for a good tournament, and it might give us a squad of players that could genuinely compete in the Euro's of 2020.

[budgetmeansbudget]

Sussex is probably right things couldn't have been much differently but that's sadly indicative of the wider problem.

[sussexpob]

sussex.

What has Roy done to keep his job?

Tell me, in detail, what you would have done differently.

At least got off my arris, to instruct and inspire. Imagine being a player, and looking over to see him sat there looking confused. The team he picked was ok, imo, but results matter. He's had two tournaments, which is enough.

Not much of a reason then.... cant remember Lippi being an animated coach, cant remember Del Bosque ever smiling or shouting.....

[Gingerfinch]

sussex.

What has Roy done to keep his job?

Tell me, in detail, what you would have done differently.

At least got off my arris, to instruct and inspire. Imagine being a player, and looking over to see him sat there looking confused. The team he picked was ok, imo, but results matter. He's had two tournaments, which is enough.

Not much of a reason then.... cant remember Lippi being an animated coach, cant remember Del Bosque ever smiling or shouting.....

Hey, Lippi use to get up off his bum?

And weren't you telling us how bad Uruguay were? What does that make us?

[Gingerfinch]

Sussex is probably right things couldn't have been much differently but that's sadly indicative of the wider problem.

I think sussex is in denial. when we defend and finish badly, we deserve nothing.

[Aidan11]

Do you really believe there is nothing wrong with English football?

How many Uruguay players in their world cup team play for Penarol, the current Primera Champions??

0

How many of their team play in Uruguay full stop??

0

Where does there best player play?????

England - apparently good international quality players cant play here though because there is so much wrong with it.

Does the strength of a domestic league matter about your national team?

Apparently not

That doesn't answer the question though. In international football England have been poor save for the odd glory night (1-5 in Munich for example). Germany probably has one of the least interesting top leagues of all the major European nations but they still deliver on the big stage.

It doesn't have to be the players. Look at the last two seasons at Man Utd. As soon as Fergie and his backroom team were history so it appears is their trophy cabinet. We have had good coaches like Venables and Capello but what happened? With Venables he had a court case with Alan Sugar and the suits at the FA didn't want the baggage surrounding it so TV jumped before he was pushed. Capello 's authority was undermined by the suits again who said he couldn't pick John Terry.

The Capello incident reminds me of Alf Ramsey. Told by the suits that he couldn't pick Nobby Stiles for the QF v Argentina in 66 because he went through one of the French players causing a nasty injury. Ramsey told them it would be fine if he didn't play but at the same time he told them if Stiles didn't play they would need a new manager for the Argentina game. Ramsey took on the FA and won (even though they got their revenge 7 years later).

Our plight has nothing to do with Uruguay, Italy or anyone else we play.

[budgetmeansbudget]

I suppose there will come a time when we exit a tournament and people will say we did well, we couldn't have done more, we were simply beaten on the day by another quality side, but the English psyche doesn't work like that.

[Gingerfinch]

I suppose there will come a time when we exit a tournament and people will say we did well, we couldn't have done more, we were simply beaten on the day by another quality side, but the English psyche doesn't work like that.

There have been occasions like that. If you lose, you can always do better, but in 2002 and 2004, I thought we played good stuff, but were beaten by a better side or unlucky, like losing Rooney in a QF.

[budgetmeansbudget]

I suppose there will come a time when we exit a tournament and people will we did well, we couldn't have done more, we were simply beaten on the day by another quality side, but the English psyche doesn't work like that.

There have been occasions like that. If you lose, you can always do better, but in 2002 and 2004, I thought we played good stuff, but were beaten by a better side or unlucky, like losing Rooney in a QF.

Probably 1990 and 1996 come to mind as well, but we do like to look for the negatives in most situations, I know I do. Its probably a coping mechanism for disappointment and the hope that things can change for the better in the future.

[Gingerfinch]

I suppose there will come a time when we exit a tournament and people will we did well, we couldn't have done more, we were simply beaten on the day by another quality side, but the English psyche doesn't work like that.

There have been occasions like that. If you lose, you can always do better, but in 2002 and 2004, I thought we played good stuff, but were beaten by a better side or unlucky, like losing Rooney in a QF.

Probably 1990 and 1996 come to mind as well, but we do like to look for the negatives in most situations, I know I do. Its probably a coping mechanism for disappointment and the hope that things can change for the better in the future.

Yes, didn't have the rub of the green in both games. Fine lines hey.

Every tournament I think 'what if?'. I don't expect us to win the world cup, but with a bit of luck, maybe a QF. At least we played some good football against Italy, which made a change from 2012.

[Durhamfootman]

I think we just have a losing mentality

It's said that gambling addiction is about the love of losing. Everyone thinks it's about winning, but actually the satisfaction, the addiction, is all in the losing, and the more you can lose on a bet, the greater the high. Sounds counter-intuitive, but it is apparently true.

perhaps we, as a nation, are just addicted to the turmoil, the gut wrenching disappointment associated with international tournaments, and when we go out on penalties to the German's, or to the hand of god, or the winker, or Beckham's petulance, it satisfies our addiction.

Perhaps we won't get that buzz in this tournament, because of the early exit.... and we are already out, btw, irrespective of the maths..... and so we won't get our knockout phase 'fix' of 'proper' disappointment and injustice, which might lead to an almost inevitable backlash against the manager.

Perhaps the worst thing a manager can do is to deny us our expected orgasmic penalty shoot out/cheating foreigner demise!

Who knows..... psychologist, I am not!