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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat May 10, 2014 10:20 pm

Hard to know what sort of job Mushtaq did. His tenure is entirely covered by Swann's time in the side- our best attacking spinner for 60 years. Yet he leaves us without a credible spin option as back up. Any part he played in Swann's success would be very valuable to the team.

Information made known while England coach that he was mentioned by a Pakistan judge in relation to illegal betting always felt a bit uncomfortable.

The news he is leaving thankfully doesn't incorporate the spin that accompanied Gooch's departure. I think previous reports suggest that he has been thinking of leaving for a while.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby alfie » Sun May 11, 2014 7:32 am

Don't mind Such taking the spin coach job. How he actually does , we shall see ; but he always struck me as one who made the most of his natural ability , and so may be assumed to have thought quite deeply about his craft.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby KipperJohn » Sun May 11, 2014 12:50 pm

'Best attacking spinner in 60 years'.

Swann was very good but I think that's debatable. I'd put Underwood marginally ahead of Swann. A mark of Underwood's ability was that he took 156 of his 297 wickets overseas - despite his 'sticky dog' reputation - he could bowl successfully in any conditions.

Shouldn't think Swann needed much coaching though - seemed very much his own man. Very hard to replace, certainly at the moment.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Sun May 11, 2014 12:53 pm

When Swann came back into the side, he was an experianced county player. The impact of England coaching can be seen by the lack of players ready to step into Swann's shoes.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 11, 2014 12:57 pm

KipperJohn wrote:'Best attacking spinner in 60 years'.

Swann was very good but I think that's debatable. I'd put Underwood marginally ahead of Swann. A mark of Underwood's ability was that he took 156 of his 297 wickets overseas - despite his 'sticky dog' reputation - he could bowl successfully in any conditions.

Shouldn't think Swann needed much coaching though - seemed very much his own man. Very hard to replace, certainly at the moment.


That's why I said attacking. I took out the word debatable, because it's pretty clear cut. Swann's strike rate is in a different league. I'm happy to accept Deadly was the better spinner, though I think it's a matter of taste to some extent.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby KipperJohn » Sun May 11, 2014 2:26 pm

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KipperJohn wrote:'Best attacking spinner in 60 years'.

Swann was very good but I think that's debatable. I'd put Underwood marginally ahead of Swann. A mark of Underwood's ability was that he took 156 of his 297 wickets overseas - despite his 'sticky dog' reputation - he could bowl successfully in any conditions.

Shouldn't think Swann needed much coaching though - seemed very much his own man. Very hard to replace, certainly at the moment.


That's why I said attacking. I took out the word debatable, because it's pretty clear cut. Swann's strike rate is in a different league. I'm happy to accept Deadly was the better spinner, though I think it's a matter of taste to some extent.


Different eras - different styles - both world class though - you don't get many of those playing for England in any discipline.

As someone who thinks the term world class is way over used and often misplaced, it is indeed a compliment to both these two fine players.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue May 13, 2014 12:11 am

I've read Liam Plunkett is in the England squad announced tomorrow. Probably for Broad. Rumours suggest Bresnan will be recalled.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Tue May 13, 2014 5:19 am

After years of not being able to get a consistant spot in the first team at Durham, Pudsey has really come back into form since being given his chance at Yorkshire. Little bit suprised he's been called into an England squad, can't see him playing.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby m@tt » Tue May 13, 2014 7:58 am

Onions' back injury has flared up again and won't bowl for the rest of the current match. Was probably behind Jordan in the Test squad reckoning but that will be a big blow to his chances. Could also see Plunkett make the Test squad, if not the team, depending on how England feel about Bresnan.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby D/L » Tue May 13, 2014 8:44 am

Plunkett would seem to be a potential replacement for Broad, if anyone. He's currently a better bowler and a better batsman than the overrated Broad, but perhaps not better than Bresnan though, as a bowler, a good deal quicker.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue May 13, 2014 8:57 am

Broad is our second best seamer, behind Jimmy, for me, D/L. In fact he may take over as being the best in the not so distant future. He can bowl like a pie chucker on e day, and like Garner the next, so needs more consistency.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby D/L » Tue May 13, 2014 8:58 am

God help us if Broad becomes our best seamer, DR.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue May 13, 2014 9:01 am

D/L wrote:God help us if Broad becomes our best seamer, DR.


It will happen. Be brave!

Finn has ability though. He may come on at some point. I don't know of any young county prospects, so will stick with what I know.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue May 13, 2014 9:16 am

Dr Robert wrote:Broad is our second best seamer, behind Jimmy, for me, D/L. In fact he may take over as being the best in the not so distant future. He can bowl like a pie chucker on e day, and like Garner the next, so needs more consistency.


Going on wickets taken, Broad is England's best seamer already over the past couple of years. There must be a concern over frequent injuries though.

SR is much better than Anderson's over a long period, since Jan 2012.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue May 13, 2014 9:52 am

Since the beginning of 2013, Broad's average is 26 and Anderson's 32. In more recent times, Anderson's stats have gone back to his career level, rather than his brilliant post 2009 peak.
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