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Re: India the Future?

Postby HarryPotter » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:03 pm

I bet in 2 years he is still the best batsman in India so if fit and wants to why wouldn't he be picked?
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Re: India the Future?

Postby braveneutral » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:03 pm

HarryPotter wrote:
braveneutral wrote:I do find it outrageous that people are calling for Sehwag's head on a plate little more than a few months after he broke the ODI record.


Different format, different games...

Yes, but it shows he is still seeing the ball. Essentially, he may have to play a different game, but he is doing the same thing, hitting the ball with the same bit of wood.
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I suppose.

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Re: India the Future?

Postby HarryPotter » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:06 pm

Yeah I suppose, but I don't think 1 successful innings in a ODI (he wasn't great the rest of the time) can be used as justification for keeping him despite constant failure in Tests.

Looked at another way, would you play Bell at 3 in ODIs?
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Re: India the Future?

Postby dan08 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:10 pm

HarryPotter wrote:Yeah I suppose, but I don't think 1 successful innings in a ODI (he wasn't great the rest of the time) can be used as justification for keeping him despite constant failure in Tests.

Looked at another way, would you play Bell at 3 in ODIs?

Bell in ODIs! :panic I wouldn't have him near the team. Doesn't get runs, doesn't score quickly and only 1 90+ score in over 100 innings!
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Re: India the Future?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:11 pm

Oh no...
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Re: India the Future?

Postby HarryPotter » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:23 pm

Exactly my point about the difference in formats. Bell is a God in Tests, not so much in ODIs...they are different sports.

Sehwags performances in that format should have no bearing on his Test selection (especially as it was essentially 1 fabulous innings and not a great deal else).
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Re: India the Future?

Postby IndusCreed » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:26 pm

HarryPotter wrote:I bet in 2 years he is still the best batsman in India so if fit and wants to why wouldn't he be picked?

We have bigger issues to worry about :(
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Re: India the Future?

Postby ddb » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:40 pm

braveneutral wrote:
HarryPotter wrote:
braveneutral wrote:I do find it outrageous that people are calling for Sehwag's head on a plate little more than a few months after he broke the ODI record.


Different format, different games...

Yes, but it shows he is still seeing the ball. Essentially, he may have to play a different game, but he is doing the same thing, hitting the ball with the same bit of wood.

All that innings was, the first time he applied himself since the world cup. Meh. All he's done recently in tests is taint his record that had kinks in it anyway.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby ddb » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:45 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:IMO in india, there's too much foucs on 20-20 cricket with the IPL etc, that they lose focus on test cricket, hence why they are dropping down

These are guys with 50,000 test runs combined...20-20 affecting VVS, Dravid who barely play it. Sachin? :lol: You can blame IPL for England. You cannot blame it for Aus. It is a very lazy analysis IMO. It ignores the problems.


England's_No7 wrote:Some Indian ex-player, i can't remember who it was but he said something along the lines of,"The losses in Australia and England will all be forgotten come the IPL."

This is sad but true. Once, the IPL comes around, no one will remember the Test thrashings as they will all be focusing on T20.


This won't happen. How can people predict this either because we've never been bad in test before a previous IPL either? Bedi is just a headline seeker.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby ddb » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:47 pm

Cynomis wrote:
ddb wrote:http://sidveeblogs.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/sydney-to-sydney-perth-to-perth/
Brilliant article this.


How did this happen that Indian test cricketers have lost their will to fight? We know that last summer in England was the beginning of a rather unexpected rapid decline. But, what are the reasons for their lack of will to fight? Their behaviour mimics that a mouse that has been given repeated electric shocks and it no longer even bothers to escape.


I don't know. :(

But as I said before: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 508511.cms

It's in BCCI's interests to sort this out...
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Re: India the Future?

Postby andy » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:57 pm

the sad thing to see is, only dravid and kohli look up for the fight,

sehwag- always aggressive
Gambhir-struggling and lets be honest dosent look up for fighting
Dravid-trying his best, but age beating him
Sachin-elusive 100 weighing him down
Laxman-finished IMO
Kohli-talented player, at least he's trying to make a fist of it
Dhoni-looks jaded, and unintrested.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby Cynomis » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:02 pm

ddb wrote:
Cynomis wrote:
ddb wrote:http://sidveeblogs.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/sydney-to-sydney-perth-to-perth/
Brilliant article this.


How did this happen that Indian test cricketers have lost their will to fight? We know that last summer in England was the beginning of a rather unexpected rapid decline. But, what are the reasons for their lack of will to fight? Their behaviour mimics that a mouse that has been given repeated electric shocks and it no longer even bothers to escape.


I don't know. :(

But as I said before: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 508511.cms

It's in BCCI's interests to sort this out...



Would you care to speculate, ddb? I am interested in your thoughts as well those of other Indian fans in this forum. There is a rumour in the Aussie media about dissensions in the Indian camp, which don't believe could be the primary reason. I recall there was publicly expressed unhappiness during Chappell's tenure, but I haven't heard anything like that since.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby ddb » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:10 pm

WC maybe. If it was a simple answer, I wouldn't be hampering for change.

Dravid's form may be hasn't helped us here. We've relied on one batsman most of the series. I haven't seen Dravid fight CF so maybe you've been watching a different test, or Sachin at times. VVS is the eternal backs to the wall player and he's been like a dog waiting to be put down. It could be age catching up maybe or the whole ethos in the dressing room being low that they can't sustain any fightback.

As the author of that article says, last time Kumble went to a player and said "We'll win in Perth" And not one Indian player will be thinking that in Adelaide this time.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby braveneutral » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:28 pm

ddb wrote:
braveneutral wrote:All that innings was, the first time he applied himself since the world cup. Meh. All he's done recently in tests is taint his record that had kinks in it anyway.

Indeed, but to say that he is gone as a player is a bit much. Viru averages over 50 in Tests still which is good for an opener.

Test career averages

Viru: 50.93.
Strauss: 41.98.
Katich: 45.03.
Smith: 49.42.
Gayle: 41.63.

Ok, he has had a bad chunk but that is impressive viewing all things considered...
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I suppose.

At times.

Re: India the Future?

Postby braveneutral » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:29 pm

HarryPotter wrote:Yeah I suppose, but I don't think 1 successful innings in a ODI (he wasn't great the rest of the time) can be used as justification for keeping him despite constant failure in Tests.

Looked at another way, would you play Bell at 3 in ODIs?

Constant failure? Look at his stats.
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I suppose.

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