India tour of Australia (Nov 22, 2024 - Jan 03, 2025)

[Durhamfootman]

I doubt that happens very often for Siraj

[alfie]

is the Gabbatoir not a stronghold these days, alfie?

Not quite so much recently. India won there to take their last series - and West Indies shocked the hosts last year in that day/night game...had been a while since Australia lost twice in three years there !

Might still be a bit of a hoodoo for England though...

[GarlicJam]

I doubt that happens very often for Siraj

He had a good tour last time, as I think it was his debut as well. The second innings at the Gabba though, he was great. Got a five for and won the match.

[sussexpob]

Not quite so much recently. India won there to take their last series - and West Indies shocked the hosts last year in that day/night game...had been a while since Australia lost twice in three years there !

The Gabba is the bellweather mark for Australian cricket.

Since the 1990s, every time they have failed to win at the Gabba, they have also lost or drawn the series. And conversely, if they have won at the Gabba, they have won the series.

There is one exception - England's 98/99 Ashes side narrowly avoided a battering courtesy of an end of days tropical storm on Day 5 leaving them with the tail intact.... but after England conceded 200 runs to an ageing Ian Healy who could no longer hold a bat, and that well known batting craftsman Damien Fleming, no one was really holding out hope the Ashes were coming home. So the trend from the Gabba still held true.

[alfie]

Of course one major difference in these recent events is that Brisbane hasn't been the First Test (as it almost always was in years gone by - certainly in Ashes tours.) Which probably isn't just coincidence but also due to slightly different weather conditions later in the season ; and also the fact that the touring teams have had more time to accustom themselves to Australian pitches by the time they get there. The Gabba is probably not the ground on which a visiting side wants to play when just off the plane

[backfootpunch]

Weather forecast looks fairly grim for this game.

Will need to be a sporting wicket to get a result you'd imagine.

[meninblue]

Aus 28/0 in 13 overs.

Match delayed

[GarlicJam]

for a test that we have waited for many days for, this has been a very inauspicious beginning.

The only drama being in the rain.

Tomorrow does look a lot better.

[meninblue]

Stumps Day 1.

Only about an hours cricket played at Brisbane.

Aus are 28/0 in 13.2 overs after being asked to bat first.

[alfie]

That was a bit of a damp squib. Decent start for Australia after being inserted . Thought the Indian bowlers tried a bit too hard and their lengths weren't the best - Deep looked the most threatening when he came on.

But tomorrow is another day. With hopefully less rain...

[Durhamfootman]

I watched a bit of a stupid programme involving Cummins, Head, Marnus, Haze, Mitch3 and Usman, a couple of clowns and a lie detector test.

Interestingly, when the players were asked if the dressing room was a better place without Warner, every one of the players lied... every one

also interestingly, big Marnus did not lie when asked if his name was Marnus Labu'shane' and he said no. Seemingly it is pronounced Labu'cagney' with a back of the throat cockly thing going on halfway through. When asked why he didn't pull the media up on their pronunciation, he just shrugged and said that no-one could do the cockly thing so what was the point

[backfootpunch]

I watched a bit of a stupid programme involving Cummins, Head, Marnus, Haze, Mitch3 and Usman, a couple of clowns and a lie detector test.

Interestingly, when the players were asked if the dressing room was a better place without Warner, every one of the players lied... every one

also interestingly, big Marnus did not lie when asked if his name was Marnus Labu'shane' and he said no. Seemingly it is pronounced Labu'cagney' with a back of the throat cockly thing going on halfway through. When asked why he didn't pull the media up on their pronunciation, he just shrugged and said that no-one could do the cockly thing so what was the point

One of the south African commentators suggested as much a while ago

He is south African born, lived there until emigrating to Australia aged 10.

[sussexpob]

also interestingly, big Marnus did not lie when asked if his name was Marnus Labu'shane' and he said no. Seemingly it is pronounced Labu'cagney' with a back of the throat cockly thing going on halfway through. When asked why he didn't pull the media up on their pronunciation, he just shrugged and said that no-one could do the cockly thing so what was the point

The truth is, he can't complain about other people saying it wrongly because he doesn't say it correctly himself.

This is the sort of thing I find really fascinating about how language develops, so indulge me for a moment

He says his name is pronounced lah-boo-skuhk-knee.... but this really isn't possible.

Afrikaans, due to Portuguese latin based language influences from original settlers/slaves from Brazil, evolved to remove the Dutch language distinction between soft and hard Gs because the soft G was too similar, and completely indistinguishable phonetically to the cedilla. Afrikaans instead adopted the phoneme X for the hard G (G), and ditched the soft G (CH) completely. For this reason, Afrikaans also does not use Dutch fricatives (with one exception) because the root letters are pronounced differently. The main example of this is "Sch", which is a fricative in Dutch but contains "ch", which is the soft G. Because the soft G does not exist in their dialects, both Flemish and Afrikaans use "k" in its place. So "school" in Holland, is "skool" in SA or Belgium.The only exception is the fricative "G", because as explained, Afrikaans retained the hard G using this letter of the alphabet, and its pronounced more like "huhh. So yeah, it makes sense that he says its lah-boo-sk ... but after that, its not actually phonetically possible for it to be "K" again.

It would very much appear that this is a fundamental misunderstanding of his own language. Afrikaans only uses one G sound, but in Labuschagne we have both "G"sounds in text present (CH-soft, G-hard). When saying his name, he transliterate both to "k". But the CH being changed to K is a very specific exception for that word or Dutch fricative, and is not the universal rule for all Gs despite all Gs technically being the same. The "G" in his name should be the Dutch fricative, and the SK replaces another Dutch fricative and is voiced.

Bottom line..... I would say using normal Afrikaans pronunciation that lah-boo-ska-huh-nee is correct, with the "huh" part being a voiceless uvular fricative (or a guttural sound to it). Although I would also say that "gn" only really exists in words in Dutch at the start of the word, and that "gn" in the middle only exists as far as I am aware in loan words. And Labuschagne is a French name - so the way everyone says it is actually completely right technically.

Be interested to know if this is one of those linguistical mistakes that people use knowingly commonly, due to some weird language development. Or maybe I am totally wrong, and there is exceptions in Afrikaans for certain combinations of letters.

[sussexpob]

Well if you are alive still, I apologise for what must have been the most boring post ever put on this message board.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Needs a thread of its own I think!