Eng in Pak, Oct 7-28

[Durhamfootman]

He's no Ben Foakes though.

Didn't take long this morning, less than 18 overs to wrap things up.

Not often a team will score 550 and then lose by an innings and 47

[Durhamfootman]

Presumably Carse will make way for Stokes if fit on Tuesday. I haven't seen anything of the match, but it appears Carse had a decent enough debut

[bigfluffylemon]

Goodness, how did we win that one? That's got to be the highest score by a mile to lose by an innings. Incredible stuff!

[Arthur Crabtree]

Presumably Carse will make way for Stokes if fit on Tuesday. I haven't seen anything of the match, but it appears Carse had a decent enough debut

BBC journo says Woakes will make way.

I read that Stokes won't bowl. But maybe that's changed.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Goodness, how did we win that one? That's got to be the highest score by a mile to lose by an innings. Incredible stuff!

BBC says second most runs conceded in the first innings of an England win. But as you say, the most in an innings victory, by anyone..

[meninblue]

New low point of Pakistan cricket which has been on decline . Won't say this is the lowest - knowing them I won't be surprised if they still go down further.

Pakistan have been awful in recent year: lost to minnow teams like Ireland, lack the quality of players, and there is too much of in fighting between player groups. However, to lose the toss, let England score 823/7 (not being dismissed with Woakes and Brydon who can bat) after fielding for 149 overs, then win with two sessions to spare is still a tremendous achievement. But this false sense of whitewashing Pakistan made Bangladesh complacent and Bangladesh got whitewashed in India. The win against Pakistan does not carries that much weightage. Pakistan are ranked 8th and may go down below Bangladesh as they are very likely to lose this home series.

Still there are many positives that England can take from this win.

1. Fitness of Joe Root and Harry Brook to play such long innings in such heat is awesome.

2. Harry Brook will have a memory and confidence that he can score atleast 319 once again, if not more. He has established his individual peak and will provide confidence and motivation to surpass this innings. This long innings mentality will help whenever England are looking to score a bat for more than a day to draw a test or chase a target of 500 to win. A situation or tours where Bazball will not work against strong teams and England will need to bat one and half or two days to draw considering that one day cannot be played against strong bowling attack for so long as seen on India tour and maybe against Australia in Australia

3. They have given Pakistan a new low in their cricketing history and mentally and physically exhausted them, with two tests still to go. So much that Pakistan players will be hoping today that it would be better if this was one match test series. Their players are under tremendous pressure to maintain places in the team. England won 3-0 against Pakistan in Pakistan in 2022, and now have a chance to better the previous whitewash. Post the best historic win against Pakistan in Pakistan.

[mikesiva]

England 220 all out

Agha 63
Jamal 55

Leach 4-30

[Gingerfinch]

Has a team ever scored 500 and lost by an innings?

[sussexpob]

Has a team ever scored 500 and lost by an innings?

It's only the 18th instance of a team scoring 500 and losing by any margin, but no ... no one has ever lost by an innings from this situaiton.

[meninblue]

Mohsin Naqvi's Surgery No. 2.

PCB restructures selection committee by picking Aleem Dar, Aaqib, Azhar

Shortly after England completed an ultimately comfortable innings win in Multan, the PCB announced Aleem Dar, Aaqib Javed, and Azhar Ali as new members, joining Asad Shafiq, the analyst Hassan Cheema, the captain and coach who were already part of the committee.


Reference:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/alee ... ee-1454841

[Gingerfinch]

Has a team ever scored 500 and lost by an innings?

It's only the 18th instance of a team scoring 500 and losing by any margin, but no ... no one has ever lost by an innings from this situaiton.

I didn't think so. This would have never happened year ago, given the relatively slow run rates. Getting to 800 in 150 overs is pretty mad!

[sussexpob]

Its a result that is really bad for the game, in so many ways. Much like in the first test last time, there will be people who are happy that we got a result, but I'd have preferred this to have ended with Pakistan 500-0 and some serious questions asked about what dross is being served up, rather than a team bat horrendously poorly on a doormat and everyone be happy the pitch got a result. I mean, how many people watched this test and felt entertained? Even in the 1 hour period where the match was done and dusted, it was all incredibly poor play from the batters rather than any sort of brilliance to win the game.

And England's huge partnership/innings wasn't exactly edge of your seat stuff. Watching a batter like Crawley or Brook with pretty much no footwork continually climb into good length bowling by smashing on the up and being able to do that.... the batsman isn't getting punished for risky shots, the bowler can't bowl anywhere and be rewarded. I guess as a spectacle, it can be summed up on that period on day 3 when Abrar was bowling round the wicket to right handers and pitching it 4 meters outside leg stump, just so he wasn't getting hit around. And then Root starting to bat left handed....

The point at which a pitch is so crap that a batsman can start batting with his opposite hand and still make a chanceless 260 .... come on man.

[sussexpob]

Ramiz Raja moaned the whole way through about why Pakistan aren't producing the glory day style players, and went on a long rant about the dirth of fast bowlers and spinners. What the hell do you expect Ramiz? I'd like to see Shoaib Akhtar bowl 50 overs on this pancake in 40 degree heat, probably after he's not bowled in a FC for 6 months and has only bowled 4 over spells in T20, and lets get the sped gun out and see how quick he is! At over 50 if he's still in the low 80s, I'd applaud him. You cant expect express pace bowlers to come through the system if they are bowling in conditions like this.

Same with spinners. Abrar has a good googly, but you cant use variation balls when the stock ball wont turn a single degree.

Pakistan's second innings also shows you why this is no good for batting either. Batsman getting used to pancake's who crumbled on an evening day 4 pitch that, with the new ball, had the smallest hint of some deviation finally. If the average FC game is already over by the stage the pitch is cracked enough to produce any movement, then that tiny bit of seam or swing with the new ball, or that tiny bit of low bounce here and there must be the equivalent to these players of a ball seaming 10 meters at Lords. You can see it in the way they played. Did nothing on day 1-2, massive score... did a tiny bit day 4, playing round everything. Really you'd expect them to have batted out the game easily.

[meninblue]

Fastest triple tons by balls faced

Balls faced - Batsman - Opponent - Ground - Year

278 - Sehwag - South Africa - Chennai - 2008

310 - Harry - Pakistan - Multan -2024

362 - Hayden - Zimbabwe - 2003

364 - Sehwag - Pakistan - Multan - 2004

[Durhamfootman]

Carse might get a reprieve if Stokes returns, because it appears it's by no means certain he'll be fit enough to operate as a 3rd seamer