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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:30 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:It seems likely he'll always be a bit of a risk, given his frequent injuries.


There aren't many good fast bowlers who are not somewhat injury prone. It seems to be a feature of the modern game. Maybe Courtney Walsh...
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby m@tt » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:50 pm

Happy with the squads.

I agree with whoever said that Bairstow is probably the weakest batsman in the squad. Personally, I hoped that after his pair of fifties against Bangladesh, Duckett would have been given a go against India ahead of Bairstow. As he didn't, it's difficult to change now.

Wood - funnily enough, he has the worst ODI record of the bowlers, but then he's only played 11 games. Delighted to see him fit and back in the squad, but should only play if he is part of the best XI, not purely because he's a couple of mph quicker.

Livingstone - he'll debut before the year is out.

Test XI - still don't know who I want the 11th man to be. For the West Indies series, in the later part of the summer, I'd go with the extra spinner. But for the South Africa series, I just don't know.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby andy » Mon May 01, 2017 2:42 pm

IMO Livingstone should have defo been selected for Ireland games...he's bang in form, now's the time...too many times the selectors pick someone who was in good form 6 months beforehand and then out of nick when selected...guy's in form, pick him now..

Mark Wood for me is a shoe-in to play...he has to...strike bowler, quick, will be a huge threat, can also bat too!
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby ianp1970 » Mon May 01, 2017 3:00 pm

andy wrote:IMO Livingstone should have defo been selected for Ireland games...he's bang in form, now's the time...too many times the selectors pick someone who was in good form 6 months beforehand and then out of nick when selected...guy's in form, pick him now.


How many times past have we changed the squad on the eve of a major tournament?

Umpteen...

Successfully?

None!

The CT squad had to be named before these games will take place, so why would you pick a debutant for them? Imagine if he scored a century in one game and took a 5-for in the next, then we couldn't pick him for the tournament!

Livingstone's time will come, probably in the September ODIs.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby andy » Tue May 02, 2017 3:54 pm

Still would have liked to have seen Livingstone play against Ireland, even if it meant non-selection for CT, he's bang in form perfect timing, good opposition to start against, no disrespect to the Irish, but there are tougher teams to start against..
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby rich1uk » Tue May 02, 2017 4:48 pm

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby rich1uk » Tue May 02, 2017 5:03 pm

I see that Roy wont be returning to the IPL after the England games as he had originally intended and will play a couple of games for Surrey instead

wonder if there is any pressure on his spot with his form being a bit dodgy, especially if he doesn't score many runs in the lead up to the CT
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Tue May 02, 2017 5:52 pm

I don't believe there is any reason for Livingstone to be playing for England before the Champions trophy. He's not in the squad, nor is it likely that he'd be called up as an injury replacement either.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue May 02, 2017 7:54 pm

rich1uk wrote:I see that Roy wont be returning to the IPL after the England games as he had originally intended and will play a couple of games for Surrey instead

wonder if there is any pressure on his spot with his form being a bit dodgy, especially if he doesn't score many runs in the lead up to the CT


Bairstow and Billings have been opening.

But surely not. My impression is Roy might have been ODI player of the year in the last 12 months (for England).
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby rich1uk » Tue May 02, 2017 8:02 pm

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rich1uk wrote:I see that Roy wont be returning to the IPL after the England games as he had originally intended and will play a couple of games for Surrey instead

wonder if there is any pressure on his spot with his form being a bit dodgy, especially if he doesn't score many runs in the lead up to the CT


Bairstow and Billings have been opening.

But surely not. My impression is Roy might have been ODI player of the year in the last 12 months (for England).


he shouldn't be dropped, i was just hypothesising whether he needs to score some runs after a poor-ish run of form

i've always found cricket selection a bit weird in a way that players will get picked on what their form was 6-12 months ago or longer, even if they look like they dont know what end of a bat to hold in the present. if a bowler doesn't take many wickets and is going for alot of runs they will get dropped in a heartbeat but batsmen always seem to get a lot more leeway
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue May 02, 2017 8:30 pm

Bit odd rich for you saying that considering we just had an arguemeny couple months ago of why it was smart for Roy getting picked for Ireland since his spot for England isn't actually safe.
Same with billings.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue May 02, 2017 8:32 pm

Pretty sure Roy's spot is secure. For this summer at least. Buttler's form has been more of an issue. Morgan before that.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue May 02, 2017 8:33 pm

It is secure for the summer, not secure for the World Cup though.
A poor series or summer will make Roy place under pressure really.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby rich1uk » Tue May 02, 2017 8:41 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Pretty sure Roy's spot is secure. For this summer at least. Buttler's form has been more of an issue. Morgan before that.


i never said i would drop Roy, i've said all along i expect him and Hales to be opening in the CT, i was just thinking aloud given he has had a poor IPL and now isn't even going back to Gujarat after the Ireland games because he cant get a game for them

Buttler has looked better in the IPL than he had for England over the winter, he got a couple of really bad umpiring decisions when going well
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Tue May 02, 2017 9:11 pm

To be honest, England would be mad to make any changes to their ODI side at this stage. It's a relatively settled side that have both set and chased big targets, any suggestion that we alter that based on IPL form is bonkers.

For me, the only question is do we play one or two spinners. Personally I'd have both Ali and Rashid in the side to give the bowling a better balance.
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