Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

[Dr Cricket]

Anyway what is a joke is that Wisden needs to have two books one for india perspective and one for the English one.
in reality only one book should be released a global one and not a English perspective one or an Indian one.

What wisden is now is a laughing stock.
because it is a tradition, it doesn't mean it is a good thing or it should be carried on.
Wonder what the 5 cricketers for the indian wisden is probably a joke list as well.

[rich1uk]

[braveneutral]

Maybe you should read the criteria for winning.

Perhaps a better understanding of the importance of county cricket to the game would help shape an opinion on the merit of winners.

[Dr Cricket]

County cricket is not important and has no bearing to the global game.
Wisden should move with the times and not still be all about England.
Cricket game doesn't revolve around england or the county game and Wisden if it is to be known as the cricketing bible in the future needs to take into account all of cricket and not a small portion of it anyway my point Stands that Wisden should be a global cricket book not just on England or india.

[Arthur Crabtree]

There are lots of global awards, including from the ICC and Cricinfo (and CMS...) and there's not much need or gain for Wisden to cover that territory. The player of the year that Kohli has is a new award probably intended to head off the kind of discussion it normally stimulates. In a way, Wisden is undermined by its historical prestige because it means its winners get reported around the world when in fact it isn't going to impact on those people unless they have recently toured England.

When Wisden started, England was most of the cricket world. I doubt anyone involved in the five cricketers thinks England is any more than a significant but small fraction of game today. Yet the five cricketers still supports the remit of the vast number of its pages, which is the English game from international down to even school level. It's a world that exists for the people who choose to value it, and no loss to those who don't.

Harbhajan averages 50 with the ball in England on two tours taking fourteen wickets. It would be surprising if he had been selected given that record. And it would be surprising if he hadn't won an Indian award.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Can't close the international thread thread down surely.

[braveneutral]

I don't want to lock the thread but can we please have sensitive and proportionate responses.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Sorry.

[rich1uk]

apologies BN but sometimes enough is enough and some things just really need to be said

[Dr Cricket]

Sorry.

[braveneutral]

All good.

Perhaps a way would be to start a thread to suggest how a global awards system could beat function to recognise all aspects of the game.

It has obviously only been recently that women's cricket has had an iota of presence and respect at these top-level awards.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I don't think anyone is right or wrong on this. It could easily change and some would approve that and some wouldn't, but no one would vindicated. But the award doesn't really snub anything or anybody. People of any country and either gender can be listed. Personally I like the way it hasn't got sucked into a rather homogenised global mindset. And how it has resisted the temptation to be more funky. But it can't be denied that the culture it represents is shrinking.

[Dr Cricket]

Agree with your earlier point about better selection.
out of interest apart from Younis all last year selection are justified, although do think the rules do make it tricky to pick players.
changing the rules so it applies all year and not just english summer means picking the 2-3 overseas slots is easier since at the moment the editor tends to follow this template.
3 Test players either English or overseas and 2 domestic stars, gets a bit tricky when most of england test players are picked and not many options for the touring teams or even worse when all the domestic stars win the award.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Pleased Les Mis got a nod. Woakes is a must-have. R.Jones and Duckett are decent choices, and YK based on being the highest run scorer of either touring sides last summer, his fairy tale recovery from poor form at the Oval in a series levelling Test, plus the goodwill for a long and successful career as his time draws to a close makes him a fair choice if we don't outlaw sentiment from the decision making process.

[Dr Cricket]

I don't think anyone is right or wrong on this. It could easily change and some would approve that and some wouldn't, but no one would vindicated. But the award doesn't really snub anything or anybody. People of any country and either gender can be listed. Personally I like the way it hasn't got sucked into a rather homogenised global mindset. And how it has resisted the temptation to be more funky. But it can't be denied that the culture it represents is shrinking.

They did change it in early naughties but at that time the players didn't really do much in the english summer because the editor picked players that contributed globally.
maybe the best compromise should be what players do against England.