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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby yuppie » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:50 pm

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Making_Splinters wrote:I never understood the sacking Wenger thing. They've finished in the top four every year he's been in charge, and not off the back of huge investment either. That's remarkable.

Top four isn't good enough though for a big club like Arsenal. They were consistently top 2 in Wenger's first 10 years.

They spent over £90m in the summer! That's a pretty large investment... Yet they never compete for the title and never even reach the quarter-finals of the Champions League.

Arsenal should be competing for trophies but that will never happen again under Wenger. He makes the same mistakes every season.



90 million was 70 million less than both Manchester teams. 30 million less than Chealski, But it was 25 million more than both Liverpool and Spurs.

So over the summer the gunners were the 4th biggest spenders in the Premier league.

2 FA cups in the last 15 years or something like that is a very poor return. But Arsenal are probably the most financially secure team in the Premier league. I guess it comes down to what supporters want from their team. Silverware seems to matter less now for many supporters. Which i think is a shame.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby dan08 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:55 pm

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Making_Splinters wrote:I never understood the sacking Wenger thing. They've finished in the top four every year he's been in charge, and not off the back of huge investment either. That's remarkable.

Top four isn't good enough though for a big club like Arsenal. They were consistently top 2 in Wenger's first 10 years.

They spent over £90m in the summer! That's a pretty large investment... Yet they never compete for the title and never even reach the quarter-finals of the Champions League.

Arsenal should be competing for trophies but that will never happen again under Wenger. He makes the same mistakes every season.



90 million was 70 million less than both Manchester teams. 30 million less than Chealski, But it was 25 million more than both Liverpool and Spurs.

So over the summer the gunners were the 4th biggest spenders in the Premier league.

2 FA cups in the last 15 years or something like that is a very poor return. But Arsenal are probably the most financially secure team in the Premier league. I guess it comes down to what supporters want from their team. Silverware seems to matter less now for many supporters. Which i think is a shame.

Leicester won the league with hardly any spending at all so i'll never buy the excuse that they haven't got the money to compete...

Also I don't think that's the case with Arsenal fans anymore. More fans seem to want Wenger out now. Think they've all realised now the club is going nowhere.

The owner Kroenke doesn't really care though as he'll still make profit if Arsenal make the top 4 and go out early in the CL.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:19 am

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dan08 wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:I never understood the sacking Wenger thing. They've finished in the top four every year he's been in charge, and not off the back of huge investment either. That's remarkable.

Top four isn't good enough though for a big club like Arsenal. They were consistently top 2 in Wenger's first 10 years.

They spent over £90m in the summer! That's a pretty large investment... Yet they never compete for the title and never even reach the quarter-finals of the Champions League.

Arsenal should be competing for trophies but that will never happen again under Wenger. He makes the same mistakes every season.



90 million was 70 million less than both Manchester teams. 30 million less than Chealski, But it was 25 million more than both Liverpool and Spurs.

So over the summer the gunners were the 4th biggest spenders in the Premier league.

2 FA cups in the last 15 years or something like that is a very poor return. But Arsenal are probably the most financially secure team in the Premier league. I guess it comes down to what supporters want from their team. Silverware seems to matter less now for many supporters. Which i think is a shame.

Leicester won the league with hardly any spending at all so i'll never buy the excuse that they haven't got the money to compete...

Also I don't think that's the case with Arsenal fans anymore. More fans seem to want Wenger out now. Think they've all realised now the club is going nowhere.

The owner Kroenke doesn't really care though as he'll still make profit if Arsenal make the top 4 and go out early in the CL.


last time I checked, Leicester are currently in a relegation fight, hardly the best example to use there. A fluke is just like a single swallow in that regard.

Sure Arsenal may have not had the highs of some other clubs, but they've not had the lows easier. They are the most consistent team in the premiership, big clubs such as City and United are currently battling it out just to get into the Champion's League, they've also made it the aim of their season now. Arsenal have done that for the last 20 years? With out resorting to throwing insane amounts of money at the problem.

When Wenger retires, I imagine at the end of the season, I have a funny feeling it won't be too long before the same who are currently wanting him out might have a change of heart. Wenexit doesn't have quite the ring of Brexit, but the hangover will be similar.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby dan08 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:27 am

What's the point of getting into the Champions League if they never even get anywhere?

One CL final in 20 years of Wenger. Haven't even reached the quarter-finals for 7 years.

That's mediocre for a club like Arsenal. They probably won't get their next season with a new manager but in the long run they'll be much better off.

So many good modern managers out there at the moment. Wenger's philosophy doesn't work in this era.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:46 am

If by this era you mean a cycle where clubs take turns to throw huge amounts of money at the title, win it then drop down when other clubs do so, then yes, Wenger doesn't fit into that model.

The Premier League is the most competitive league in the world, Wenger achievements of keeping a side at the top end of that consistently should be respected, not denigrated. When Arsenal get a new manager, it will play out the same as every other big side. They'll spend a lot of money, see a short term boost then drop off when everyone else does the same. I doubt Arsenal can maintain the level of spending required to win that fight.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby rich1uk » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:55 am

so your answer M-S is dont bother trying to improve just in case things get worse ?
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:13 am

No, I just feel that Wenger gets a lot of completely undeserved stick. He's managed to keep a side one of the top clubs in an increasing competitive league for two decades with out resorting to the big spending short cuts the other top clubs have done. Arsenal haven't done the boom and bust cycle of the other big clubs and as I noted above, when he does retire I would not be shocked if a few months down the line fans are wishing he was back.

The man deserves a hell of a lot of respect for what he has achieved.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby rich1uk » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:26 am

Making_Splinters wrote:No, I just feel that Wenger gets a lot of completely undeserved stick. He's managed to keep a side one of the top clubs in an increasing competitive league for two decades with out resorting to the big spending short cuts the other top clubs have done. Arsenal haven't done the boom and bust cycle of the other big clubs and as I noted above, when he does retire I would not be shocked if a few months down the line fans are wishing he was back.

The man deserves a hell of a lot of respect for what he has achieved.


he does but the most important part of that post is in the past tense

its not doing him, the club or the fans any favours by him hanging on too long and tarnishing that legacy
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby Alviro Patterson » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:12 am

How many clubs in the Premier League (even Europe) can genuinely compete with Bayern Munich and Barcelona? Because that's more or less Arsenal have drawn in the Champions League last 16 this decade.

Chelsea might have won the Champions League once upon a time, but have little to show for it in terms of legacy. Not even playing in a large capacity stadium or a youth team system that consistently produces players for the first team.

There will come a time where the Premier League TV money will shrink and clubs who rely on Champions League football to balance the books will start to get tetchy.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby andy » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:19 pm

Bye bye Wenger and Enrique i would have thought now surely..?
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby rich1uk » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:00 pm

probably famous last words but got to be goals in the man city - monaco game tonight when you look at the teams they both have out

dont know alot about him but mbappe has had a couple of good runs, bernando silva and thomas lemar are both highly rated as well and touted for big money moves in the summer
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby dan08 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:06 pm

rich1uk wrote:probably famous last words but got to be goals in the man city - monaco game tonight when you look at the teams they both have out

dont know alot about him but mbappe has had a couple of good runs, bernando silva and thomas lemar are both highly rated as well and touted for big money moves in the summer

Can't believe the odds for Monaco. They're a much better team and also started well here.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby dan08 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:13 pm

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rich1uk wrote:probably famous last words but got to be goals in the man city - monaco game tonight when you look at the teams they both have out

dont know alot about him but mbappe has had a couple of good runs, bernando silva and thomas lemar are both highly rated as well and touted for big money moves in the summer

Can't believe the odds for Monaco. They're a much better team and also started well here.

Maybe that's why...
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby mikesiva » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:14 pm

Raheem sterling!
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Re: UEFA Champions League 16/17

Postby rich1uk » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:15 pm

yeah thats a couple of times city have got behind them within the space of a few minutes, even sterling couldn't miss that one

just so much pace on show between the two teams
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