2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

[meninblue]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indvrsa/engine/match/332912.html

India has Harby and Kumble.

As for SA playing one spinner,India That ways i have seen Aus, Eng play one spinner. Only those teams can think of that. Not Indian teams.

[Arthur Crabtree]

If you are trying to convince me one spinner is enough in team in Indian conditions then i am not going to agree. I have never played even one cricket match across 20, 40 or 50 overs with just one spinner. Neither i have seen Ranji teams over decades with one spinner only, neither Team India with just one spinner. Its unseen and unthinkable. Its a ver poor strategy to use one spinner in India. Sorry totally disagree.

playing a spinner who isn't good enough just for the sake of having a 2nd or 3rd spinner is just a waste of a spot

England's attack is complicated by having two bowlers who are getting into the side for their batting. So England are picking 2+2 out of the bowlers they have, apart from the batters (Stokes and MO).

Probably Batty was picked to bowl dry, but when England got off the ship, they realised that all Indian batters are right handed. And as one of their own batters bowled off spin, they couldn't pick him. And they haven't even a batter to bring in should they want to pick fewer than six bowlers anyway...

I'm not sure the England pace bowlers have been bowling well enough, in BD or Rajkot, to want to pick another. If there's a paceman better than those being selected, pick him and leave out one of the other quicks in the side.

[Dr Cricket]

not sure anyone in india would class Ansari as a front line spinner, Rashid is 50-50 same with Ali.

[Dr Cricket]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indvrsa/engine/match/332912.html

India has Harby and Kumble.

As for SA playing one spinner,India That ways i have seen Aus, Eng play one spinner. Only those teams can think of that. Not Indian teams.

You looking at it with a very simple minded way.
The type of bowlers don't win games, how the bowlers actually bowl win games.
If india had only one class spinner with the rest crap india will also only go with 1 spinner.

[meninblue]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indvrsa/engine/match/332912.html

India has Harby and Kumble.

As for SA playing one spinner,India That ways i have seen Aus, Eng play one spinner. Only those teams can think of that. Not Indian teams.

You looking at it with a very simple minded way.
The type of bowlers don't win games, how the bowlers actually bowl win games.
If india had only one class spinner with the rest crap india will also only go with 1 spinner.

Sir please sell this one spinner idea to American.

I hope Cook likes your idea and uses it for 3rd test.

[rich1uk]

England's attack is complicated by having two bowlers who are getting into the side for their batting. So England are picking 2+2 out of the bowlers they have, apart from the batters (Stokes and MO).

Probably Batty was picked to bowl dry, but when England got off the ship, they realised that all Indian batters are right handed. And as one of their own batters bowled off spin, they couldn't pick him. And they haven't even a batter to bring in should they want to pick fewer than six bowlers anyway...

I'm not sure the England pace bowlers have been bowling well enough, in BD or Rajkot, to want to pick another. If there's a paceman better than those being selected, pick him and leave out one of the other quicks in the side.

i dont think having 2 bowlers who are getting into the team based on their batting complicates things, it actually should be a massive luxury that allows us flexibility in picking the other 9 players

simple fact is we are picking spinners for the sake of having spinners in the team even tho they aren't really good enough at this level

the pitches in bangladesh were about as unfriendly for seamers as its possible to get and very heavily favoured spin bowling, and we failed to win that series because the spinners weren't good enough to take advantage of them

even despite how heavily those pitches favoured spin we still saw 16 of the 40 wickets being taken by seam

[Dr Cricket]

TBH The bangladesh pitches would probably help the pace men more than the pitches so far was abrasive so reverse can happen, ball was turning from day 1 and so the pace men cutters were gripping.
but yeah your point stands.

[Arthur Crabtree]

You looking at it with a very simple minded way..

Hopefully you'll never be called up to deal with delicate peace negotiations, Bhaves.

[Dr Cricket]

You looking at it with a very simple minded way..

Hopefully you'll never be called up to deal with delicate peace negotiations, Bhaves.

thought I said it in a nice way as well.

not sure picking bowlers for the sake of it is wise especially if they are unlikely to actually help the team win games.
actually odd they regarded Ansari as a front line spinner and if they didn't then not saying much that they didn't trust Ali to last the tour and what does that say about batty that he is failing to get picked as a front line spinner over part time options.

[Arthur Crabtree]

simple fact is we are picking spinners for the sake of having spinners in the team even tho they aren't really good enough at this level

I don't agree it's a fact. Though I obviously accept that the conditions don't play to England's strengths. Mo took a 5-fer in BD. Rashid was England's best chance of winning in Rajkot (and could well have managed it if the batters had given him another hour. England have to find a way to make spin work in these conditions. Doubly if they can't reverse the ball). Giving up isn't useful, and is arguably why things are as bad as they are.

[shankycricket]

If you are trying to convince me one spinner is enough in team in Indian conditions then i am not going to agree. I have never played even one cricket match across 20, 40 or 50 overs with just one spinner. Neither i have seen Ranji teams over decades with one spinner only, neither Team India with just one spinner. Its unseen and unthinkable. Its a ver poor strategy to use one spinner in India. Sorry totally disagree.

playing a spinner who isn't good enough just for the sake of having a 2nd or 3rd spinner is just a waste of a spot

England's attack is complicated by having two bowlers who are getting into the side for their batting. So England are picking 2+2 out of the bowlers they have, apart from the batters (Stokes and MO).

Probably Batty was picked to bowl dry, but when England got off the ship, they realised that all Indian batters are right handed. And as one of their own batters bowled off spin, they couldn't pick him. And they haven't even a batter to bring in should they want to pick fewer than six bowlers anyway...

I'm not sure the England pace bowlers have been bowling well enough, in BD or Rajkot, to want to pick another. If there's a paceman better than those being selected, pick him and leave out one of the other quicks in the side.

How exactly is Ansari a better bowler than Woakes? Just because he bowls at a slower pace and off a shorter run up? You'd still have 2 spinners.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I'm not saying Woakes shouldn't be in the team. I'd like him in the team.

[shankycricket]

simple fact is we are picking spinners for the sake of having spinners in the team even tho they aren't really good enough at this level

I don't agree it's a fact. Though I obviously accept that the conditions don't play to England's strengths. Mo took a 5-fer in BD. Rashid was England's best chance of winning in Rajkot (and could well have managed it if the batters had given him another hour. England have to find a way to make spin work in these conditions. Doubly if they can't reverse the ball). Giving up isn't useful, and is arguably why things are as bad as they are.

They also lost in BD due to their spinners. And wasted a lot of the outstanding work done by the seamers done in the UAE last year.

[shankycricket]

I'm not saying Woakes shouldn't be in the team. I'd like him in the team.

So who'd you drop? Broad? How is Ansari better than even him?

[rich1uk]

simple fact is we are picking spinners for the sake of having spinners in the team even tho they aren't really good enough at this level

I don't agree it's a fact.

you think ansari, rashid and moeen are all test quality spin bowlers ?