England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

[budgetmeansbudget]

This match is at least open. India out for 500 will give out batters a nervous few hours.

Yep, Adelaide 2006 still lives long in the memory. Can't believe it's now ten years ago!

And India beat the Aussies in a similar manner, not long before. These two instances were both in Australia, so it could never happen here!

Don't think the scoring been quick enough, in Adelaide team were scoring 4 or 5 runs an over.
india team could barely manage 3 runs an over.
for india to get 500 it will take most of tomorrow play, not sure 4 session is enough for 10 wickets and then a run chase.
suspect india best chance of winning might be to concede a small lead and then destroy england with the ball in the 3rd innings.
with those 2 wickets makes it hard to see india getting 600 + to get a lead but lucky for them they still got batting to come so probably at worse going to concede a 120-130 deficit and you expect england to bat till they get 300-350.
so draw still very likely to happen.

looking at the way the game going suspect india will be all out around 500, but that prediction mostly depends on how england bowl tomorrow and how well india bat tomorrow.

Run rate in the Adelaide game was around 3 an over for first three days. Oz were 312/5 at end of third day so similar to this test.

[Dr Cricket]

they bowled all 90 overs in india or asia, can't remember india actually being slow with overrates since 2011 actually.
so you are wrong alfie.

Can't remember too many days they - or anyone - bowl 93 in a day. But that is not the point , is it ? I suspect all teams - including India - sometimes go slower than they need to be. Sometimes it is tactical ; sometimes happenstance.

My point was about your over aggressive style of arguing the matter. It really isn't necessary ; and it makes you less fun to discuss with ...which is a pity , as you clearly have a strong interest in the game .

Up to you . But I think we might all enjoy debate with a little less acrimony... Or to put it another way : nobody loves a smart-arse.

ok I will take this on board.
but so annoying to hear Sky comm complaining non stop about overrates but tend to be happy or make lame excuses when england do it, suspect lately England are the slowest team to bowl overs now.
Can't see any stoppages to explain the slow overrate either and england tend to be one of the most lethargic team in the field, last summer it take ages for them to bowl overs, whereas other teams are usually rushing through overs.

Surprised most people are ok with the overrates here, generally overrates annoy cricket fans so much, especially when they are so slow changing overs like england are.

[hopeforthebest]

I'm moving over to watch the first practice of the Brazilian Grand Prix, hope no England commentator makes negative comments about the Force India team.

[Dr Cricket]

india vs australia 2003 test was similar as well but india were so much closer to 500 though so they had enough time to chase the total.
The england scorecard more closer to this game though.

[budgetmeansbudget]

Alot of England fans on here grew up with slow overrates which seemed to start in the seventies with excessive run ups and the like.

It has never overly bothered me, especially now as they can be tagged on at the end of the day, and for games in England, I get to see more cricket when I get home from work.

[Dr Cricket]

Rashid was the best bowler for england today, should have bowled more overs though since he was the only bowler that troubled the indian batsman more often and consistently.

[Gingerfinch]

The West Indies team were pretty bad. Something like 12-13 overs per hour.

It's fine if you can add it on but the paying public may not be able to stay, or bad light might come into effect.

[sussexpob]

I'm moving over to watch the first practice of the Brazilian Grand Prix, hope no England commentator makes negative comments about the Force India team.

Or any American commentators call Sergio Perez a rapist...

[Dr Cricket]

The West Indies team were pretty bad. Something like 12-13 overs per hour.

It's fine if you can add it on but the paying public may not be able to stay, or bad light might come into effect.

yeah impossible to add it in Bangladesh or East india, but Kolkata start 30 mins earlier to make it easier to play longer if required and in rain delays the time is made up in the morning and not later in the evening since it get dark very quickly in asia.
if pakistan were still hosting test matches they will never finish 90 overs if england were bowling there, they wouldn't even be able to use the extra 30 mins to make up overs.

I don't actually mind them using the extra 30 mins in england, SA etc if they can get 90 over still but not the way england are doing it lately, they never actually bowled 90 overs once last summer and couple times were 3-4 overs short and once 9 overs short.
looks like England are still lethargic in the field, not sure how they were short of overs in india when most of the overs were bowled by spin.
Can't see any major time stoppages either today to explain being overs short.

[budgetmeansbudget]

I'm moving over to watch the first practice of the Brazilian Grand Prix, hope no England commentator makes negative comments about the Force India team.

Looks like there might be some rain around at Interlagos this weekend.

Might maker Rozzer a bit jittery!

[shankycricket]

BCCI should look to bat the day out tomorrow and get a 100 run lead. The only way this game is getting a result.

[Dr Cricket]

last post on overrates but england have no excuses to being so slow and blaming it on conditions since bangladesh was 100% time more tough on the body high temp and way more humidity and they bowled at a good rate.
conditions in Rajkot been easy compared to bangladesh with condition low 30s and high 20 with 50% humidity and cool + mild in the evenings.

so if they can cope with bangladesh but not with rajkot is a bit weird considering at no point in the game the players look tired or knackered in the field.

[hopeforthebest]

The West Indies team were pretty bad. Something like 12-13 overs per hour.

It's fine if you can add it on but the paying public may not be able to stay, or bad light might come into effect.

If Pujara had managed to keep his head out of the way of the ball and Vijay his knee that would have helped the over rate.

[meninblue]

last post on overrates but england have no excuses to being so slow and blaming it on conditions since bangladesh was 100% time more tough on the body high temp and way more humidity and they bowled at a good rate.
conditions in Rajkot been easy compared to bangladesh with condition low 30s and high 20 with 50% humidity and cool + mild in the evenings.

so if they can cope with bangladesh but not with rajkot is a bit weird considering at no point in the game the players look tired or knackered in the field.

How many overs less did they bowl.

[sussexpob]

How many overs less did they bowl.

I believe somewhere in the region of 4 to 5