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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:39 am

I'd have thought Ansari would be in the squad, little to no chance Hildreth will be.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:46 am

Hildreth. Or Tredwell, Rayner, Foster...
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:11 pm

is there any particular reason why ECB didn't arrange any warm up games in india feels very odd for strauss not to arrange one when being in charge of it.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:14 pm

Probably the BD series is seen as the preparation.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby hopeforthebest » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:21 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Hildreth. Or Tredwell, Rayner, Foster...


In one newspaper today I read that Jack Taylor will be the third spinner on tour. That's an out of left field suggestion.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:22 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Probably the BD series is seen as the preparation.

it is but even then they should still surely have some warm up games to get use the crowd, fans and media scrutity and other stuff then just go straight in to the test matches.

feels very odd and if the Bangladesh series get cancelled they could easily have no warm up games in india, since all I heard is they will arrive early in india if the tour is cancelled not sure what they be doing in india either since most grounds will be busy for the indian domestic season so they could basically be in india with no games, ground or facilities prepared for them for the tour.

even if they do get a ground and some facilities might not even be good enough for what they wanted out of the camp or preparation.

Very odd for Strauss to do this since he was always a fan for good preparation.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:24 pm

Jack leach been mentioned as a possible 3rd spinner.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:08 pm

Top wicket taker in CC1 is a spinner, Jeetan Patel, 45 wickets at 25.

England qualified, twenty wickets:
Batty 36 at 28. OB
Leach, 34 at 24. SLA
Rayner, 30 at 23, OB
Rashid, 27 at 33. LBG
Ansari, 21 at 28, SLA
Samit, 20 at 34, SLA
Kerrigan, 20 at 37, SLA
Crane, 20 at 44. LBG

CC2:
No one. Tredwell has 19.

Rayner has less of a chance being another offie. But England should be picking one spinner who gets in on spin alone, and two in Asia. In CC2, Taylor is another offie, and has 14 wickets at 31.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby hopeforthebest » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:26 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Top wicket taker in CC1 is a spinner, Jeetan Patel, 45 wickets at 25.

England qualified, twenty wickets:
Batty 36 at 28. OB
Leach, 34 at 24. SLA
Rayner, 30 at 23, OB
Rashid, 27 at 33. LBG
Ansari, 21 at 28, SLA
Samit, 20 at 34, SLA
Kerrigan, 20 at 37, SLA
Crane, 20 at 44. LBG

CC2:
No one. Tredwell has 19.

Rayner has less of a chance being another offie. But England should be picking one spinner who gets in on spin alone, and two in Asia. In CC2, Taylor is another offie, and has 14 wickets at 31.


Maybe I've made a mistake and it was Jack Leach.Certainly we need an SLA spinner and for my money more than an iffy leg spinner which is all Rashid is. Moeen will never rank any more than a part time spinner so I think England need to find a way of getting two REAL spinners into our eleven.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:38 pm

Squad for the ODIs is announced tomorrow. Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler are said to be available.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby KipperJohn » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:35 pm

To be frank England have yet to find proper replacements for Strauss, Trott, Pietersen, Bell and Swann - all of whom are in the top echelons of post war England Test players.

Yes we still have Cook and Root and Bairstow is proving a decent replacement for Prior, with Buttler in the wings and the seam and lower order are fine.

We witnessed the loss of some Australia greats and the impact that had - whilst the above are not in that league, in England terms they are proving equally difficult to replace. With the increasing focus on the shorter formats of the game (in which Bayliss made his name) one begins to wonder where our next Test batsmen and spinner(s) are going to come from.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby yuppie » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:54 pm

Will England pick Tredwell? Or have they decided hes not a long term solution?
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby hopeforthebest » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:24 pm

yuppie wrote:Will England pick Tredwell? Or have they decided hes not a long term solution?


I have never understood the lack of respect Tredwell has from fans and selectors alike. In his only test in Bangladesh in 21=010 he matched Swann in wickets and average. In ODI he never really let the team down and has disappeared without a trace. He's also a fine slip fielder and a fair batsman. He missed a lot of red ball cricket for Kent due to England commitments and had difficulty in getting back to his best but he's taking wickets again.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby hopeforthebest » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:28 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
yuppie wrote:Will England pick Tredwell? Or have they decided hes not a long term solution?


I have never understood the lack of respect Tredwell has from fans and selectors alike. In his only test in Bangladesh in 21=010 he matched Swann in wickets and average. In ODI he never really let the team down and has disappeared without a trace. He's also a fine slip fielder and a fair batsman. He missed a lot of red ball cricket for Kent due to England commitments and had difficulty in getting back to his best but he's taking wickets again.


If I was choosing 3 spinners for the winter he would be one of them. India is a place for experienced spinners not a testing ground for future talent or the mediocre
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:43 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
yuppie wrote:Will England pick Tredwell? Or have they decided hes not a long term solution?


I have never understood the lack of respect Tredwell has from fans and selectors alike. In his only test in Bangladesh in 21=010 he matched Swann in wickets and average. In ODI he never really let the team down and has disappeared without a trace. He's also a fine slip fielder and a fair batsman. He missed a lot of red ball cricket for Kent due to England commitments and had difficulty in getting back to his best but he's taking wickets again.


What is done is done, and while I agree on your assessment of Tredwell ( I have echoed such things myself) and the hard done by nature of his dropping, its worth noting in his last 4 county years he averages 57, 41, 40 and 40, mostly playing in Division 3, and hasnt even been getting in the Kent side as a regular in those times.

Id go as far as to say it would be insanity to pick Tredwell at this point.
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