backfootpunch wrote:bhaveshgor wrote:Tredwell will be a bad pick, for the 3rd spinner I would go for one of the young spinners in County cricket.
Basically what Warne and bumble said the best spinner prospect right now goes.
Also be interesting to see how UAE plays since from most of my memory it doesn't really spin much, only world class spinner take wicket there.
England could have a tough time at UAE since no real Spin bowlers and Pakistan got a class spinner in Yasir Shah.
Probably Spin far more in West indies then it does in UAE and England only played one spinner in those games.
we have no idea how good yasir shah is as he has only played on spinner friendly wickets
i expect england to struggle against him though, as our batsmen tend to either block or slog against spin which on turning tracks is a recipe for disaster
bhaveshgor wrote:Arthur Crabtree wrote:bhaveshgor wrote:Also be interesting to see how UAE plays since from most of my memory it doesn't really spin much, only world class spinner take wicket there.
England could have a tough time at UAE since no real Spin bowlers and Pakistan got a class spinner in Yasir Shah.
In UAE, innings figures.
Panesar 6-62.
Craig 7-94.
Tahir 5-32.
Even bowlers like Harris, Duminy and North have chipped in. I'm not suggesting anyone goes in with four spinners, like India in the seventies. Just a balanced attack. Is a third (/fourth?) seamer really going to offer more advantage than a second spinner?
I go along with Shanky's side, though I'm not sure about Ballance and Bairstow. Maybe ask around and look for a a really good player of spin from the ranks of CC?
You always have to pick 2 spinners in UAE or Asia and West indies
my point was really saying that UAE decks don't really spin like West indies or india/Sri lanka ones do, it mostly skids and even Nasser/Atherton pointed out that it might even spin less than West indies and they didn't even pick 2 spinner although it did seem England picked the team using data and not their eyes on that tour.
Watching this I barely see any deliveries spinning much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGHyYvgLu_A
basically think UAE might be a place where only Really really good spinner that will take Wickets and the rest might struggle a bit.
gonna be tough winter for Ali and Rashid since they will be expected to take wickets.
dan08 wrote:Lyon really struggled in UAE.
bhaveshgor wrote:dan08 wrote:I'd like to see a young spinner in the squad but then they'd probably benefit more by playing on the Lions tour than just be a squad member of the Test side.
Where are the lions playing although as warne and bumble said it depends on what the players do if they just carrying drinks then Lions is better but if their bowl thousands of balls at the nets then going on tour is so much beneficial.
Although it seem England are not doing a lions this year and doing an EPP in South africa/UAE.
Arthur Crabtree wrote:England would hardly pick a second spinner, even in Asia, after Cardiff 09, when Monty and Swann didn't take a lot of wickets. No one seems to think the three pace bowlers in that game had anything to do with the lack of wickets. But it was just a pitch where the attack failed as a group on a pitch that helped none of them. The conclusions drawn after that game were illogical and set the team back in Dubai and Ahmedabad.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
Arthur Crabtree wrote:They are predicting Ansari will go. This squad is named tomorrow.
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