The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Arthur Crabtree]

What they've suggested is that one day they might trust him. How's that going to happen?

[westoelad]

What they've suggested is that one day they might trust him. How's that going to happen?

By giving him the opportunity to have input into 1 day planning and strategy. In his wisdom he refused the olive branch.

[The Waugh Twins]

What they've suggested is that one day they might trust him. How's that going to happen?

It's a soap opera in the making. It's like when you watch a movie unfold you simply think is so far fetched, (wish I could give an example), oh I know "The Impossible" with Watts and McGregor.

Perhaps if KP can get the rights to it he may have a hit that runs longer than Coronation Street. By the way is that still on over there. Use to make me so depressed when I would hear the music, one way to keep your kids out of the house and playing in the park.

[Arthur Crabtree]

That job offer was an insult! He was told he would be assessed on merit, then they said, we don't trust you, but in the future, who knows! That who knows, is the verbal equivalent of being flicked in the nose... By the way, teach the kids that stuff you do. Graves offered him an olive branch (probably unintentionally). Strauss snatched it away as Pietersen reached for it.

[Aidan11]

My view - and it is of course guesswork - is that Strauss & Harrison had fully intended to tell KP there was some hope of getting back in. Cook may have got wind of this meeting and told his mate that there was no way he was going to captain a side that KP was part of.

Therefore this puts AS in a difficult position. So now everything changes and KP goes to the meeting on the back of triple century full of hope only to be told that he can forget it. After all it seems strange you would call a meeting to do this when the situation hadn't really changed from the point Downton sacked him.

Strauss, now not wanting to look like the bad guy, offers KP an advisory role in ODI cricket (of which Cook no longer appears to be a part of) as a token gesture to make what was a pointless meeting seem a bit worthwhile.


Just a theory.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Sounds believable.

[Dr Cricket]

Good theory but cross out Strauss name and replace with Graves.
I reckon it was Graves master plan but not the way he was hoping for.

Give KP a Chance before West indies tour, Threaten Cook and the team they need to beat West indies and probably thrash them and he was then hoping one of them fails and the person fails get sacked or both if KP didn't score runs.

IF Cook failed in WI, Graves would have probably sacked Cook and Kp chances of playing would have increased massively.
Cook probably scored the Century that stopped KP coming back in the team.

Probably graves was told in the last minute Back Cook and this is probably why the meeting sound so stupid.Considering if nothing changed they could have told KP 2-3 weeks ago.

[shankycricket]

Bell didn't exactly call for Pietersen to be brought back into the team. He said "deserves a chance" and "maybe" and "in time"
Strauss didn't rule out a return at some later date either , to be accurate.

But we all know that Pietersen at 34 with an injury history that is unlikely to vanish as he gets older is not going to hang around at Surrey in hopes of a return next year. If he was that determined - and that patient - he'd have taken Strauss up on his offer to mentor the young ODI prospects , as a possible route back to limited over cricket at least...

Not blaming him for his choice not to do so , by the way.

I don't think Bell is the sort of chap who falls out with people much ; even difficult ones. He is just being nice.

Your twisting of words to make your lovechild Cook look like a holy grail everytime is embarassing and shameful.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I thought Bell's support for KP was quite surprisingly emphatic.

And it's surely pretty obvious that KP has been amazingly determined to get back.

[KipperJohn]

I thought Bell's support for KP was quite surprisingly emphatic.

And it's surely pretty obvious that KP has been amazingly determined to get back.

There seems to have been a sort of mutual appreciation society for some time between KP and Bell. I don't know for sure but did they not share the same 'management team - or whatever they call it - outside of the ECB?

Bell must surely know too that if KP had come back his own place was probably the one under most threat, batting at 4 and with some up and down form and Ballance and Root clearly established for the future - Bell is still a good player but more past than present. If he doesn't make a difference this summer then his own Test career may well come to an end - his ODi place is already shaky.
Somebody has shoved a mike under his nose - something he's not that good at - and surprise, surprise, he's ' all things to all men'.

I'm a huge Bell fan but notwithstanding the 2013 home Ashes, he was fortunate to survive the post whitewash Ashes when KP didn't - at least for cricketing reasons.

[alfie]

Bell didn't exactly call for Pietersen to be brought back into the team. He said "deserves a chance" and "maybe" and "in time"
Strauss didn't rule out a return at some later date either , to be accurate.

But we all know that Pietersen at 34 with an injury history that is unlikely to vanish as he gets older is not going to hang around at Surrey in hopes of a return next year. If he was that determined - and that patient - he'd have taken Strauss up on his offer to mentor the young ODI prospects , as a possible route back to limited over cricket at least...

Not blaming him for his choice not to do so , by the way.

I don't think Bell is the sort of chap who falls out with people much ; even difficult ones. He is just being nice.

Your twisting of words to make your lovechild Cook look like a holy grail everytime is embarassing and shameful.

Pardon me ? No mention of Cook in the above post as far as I can see...

And I am not sure where I have been guilty of "twisting words" , here or anywhere . If you don't like someone having an opinion different from yours , that is fine. If you feel embarrassed that is your problem ; but I'll thank you to refrain from personal remarks towards me if I don't conform to your world view. OK ?

[Dr Cricket]

Good point on bell apart from the 2013 ashes can not remember him after one great meaningful series with the bat, scored couple of pointless centuries in series which pretty much covered low scores.

Bell is probably my favourite to leave this year.

[braveneutral]

Cometh the hour, cometh the olive.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Got some gossip bn?

[braveneutral]

Alas, no. I am still yet to post on the Graves/Cook stand-off of yesteryear.

I may have a tidbit. But I am struggling to remember it at the moment.