World Cup provisional squads

[Making_Splinters]

Still think it is a disgrace considering J petal could still play for Warwickshire after the tour is finished.

Also don't even get me started on the Kolpack rules.
I hate it when Bumble goes on about how Faf du plesis is a disgrace for breaking his contract, the disgrace party here is Lancashire for forcing someone to turn their back on their country.

Firstly, no one forced Faf to turn his back on his country, he chose to sign up as a Kolpak.

Players like Ervine and Patel aren't jetting off for a couple of weeks and a fat pay check, they're playing full seasons as a county cricketer. When Patel turned down the offer to tour the West Indies he was faced with a simple choice: Stay and play for a team that took him in, has him down as a first choice selection and will guarantee him a wage. OR. Go as part of a squad with no guarantee of even playing and no guarantee of ever being picked again. Patel isn't going to get a contract from New Zealand so he'd be on living expenses and potentially a match fee. It's a no brainer.

English counties want above all else players who can commit to play a full season. Patel has far stronger links to Warwickshire than he does to the New Zealand national side, who frankly did not give him a second thought when they dropped him and gave him less than 20 tests across five years.

Anyone who can't see that, frankly doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[Dr Cricket]

Well it is pathetic to complain if Kolpack players use County cricket to get into south African or West Indies teams.

[Making_Splinters]

Well it is pathetic to complain if Kolpack players use County cricket to get into south African or West Indies teams.

Don't equate Bumble with Lancashire County Cricket Club or Lancashire fans. Lancashire were happy to allow Faf to break his contract, they did not have to. You won't find many Lancashire fans who begrudge Faf for leaving, or any of his success since.

As with so many things, it's a vocal minority with Bumble's opinion, well in this case just Bumble.

[Making_Splinters]

I'd add that the ECB hate the Kolpak situation, and have tried at every single opportunity to stamp them out. Kolpaks are nothing to do with the ECB, but is a ruling from the European courts stating that no EU national can be restricted from working in another part of the EU. As part of the EU, Britian an the ECB have no choice but to go along with it. The stipulation that Kolpaks could not have played for their international side in a year prior to signing for a County was the ECBs way of trying to prevent counties filling their books with overseas players. Ruldoph proved that the ECB don't have a leg to stand on in this regard.

So, don't try and have a go at English cricket over Kolpaks.

[rich1uk]

I'd add that the ECB hate the Kolpak situation, and have tried at every single opportunity to stamp them out. Kolpaks are nothing to do with the ECB, but is a ruling from the European courts stating that no EU national can be restricted from working in another part of the EU. As part of the EU, Britian an the ECB have no choice but to go along with it. The stipulation that Kolpaks could not have played for their international side in a year prior to signing for a County was the ECBs way of trying to prevent counties filling their books with overseas players. Ruldoph proved that the ECB don't have a leg to stand on in this regard.

So, don't try and have a go at English cricket over Kolpaks.

yeah in theory there is nothing legally to stop a county playing as many kolpak players as they want as well , the quota is purely an agreement between the ECB and the counties

no county would take the ECB to court over it tho as they would be cutting off their nose to spite their face

[Dr Cricket]

I'd add that the ECB hate the Kolpak situation, and have tried at every single opportunity to stamp them out. Kolpaks are nothing to do with the ECB, but is a ruling from the European courts stating that no EU national can be restricted from working in another part of the EU. As part of the EU, Britian an the ECB have no choice but to go along with it. The stipulation that Kolpaks could not have played for their international side in a year prior to signing for a County was the ECBs way of trying to prevent counties filling their books with overseas players. Ruldoph proved that the ECB don't have a leg to stand on in this regard.

So, don't try and have a go at English cricket over Kolpaks.

True good point Northant at one point had a entire team not qualified for England.
plus they increased the qualification period for them so it takes longer for them to qualify.

[Making_Splinters]

I'd add that the ECB hate the Kolpak situation, and have tried at every single opportunity to stamp them out. Kolpaks are nothing to do with the ECB, but is a ruling from the European courts stating that no EU national can be restricted from working in another part of the EU. As part of the EU, Britian an the ECB have no choice but to go along with it. The stipulation that Kolpaks could not have played for their international side in a year prior to signing for a County was the ECBs way of trying to prevent counties filling their books with overseas players. Ruldoph proved that the ECB don't have a leg to stand on in this regard.

So, don't try and have a go at English cricket over Kolpaks.

True good point Northant at one point had a entire team not qualified for England.
plus they increased the qualification period for them so it takes longer for them to qualify.

Back in the early 2000s it was certainly a big problem. Derbyshire at one stage had 8 out of the 11 players on the field being non England qualified players, though the most famous example was a County Championship match between Northants and the Foxes where 10 out of the 22 players playing were Kolpaks. I'm not sure that Northhants ever fielded a full team of Kolpaks. Amusingly,Leicestershire's director of cricket at the time was James Whitaker, current England selector who has complained about the number of foriegn born players playing for England.

[braveneutral]

I haven't read the full thread but Kolpaks had their uses.

[Aidan11]

England's 15 has been confirmed.

Morgan (c)
Moeen Ali
Anderson
Ballance
Bell
Buttler
Bopara
Broad
Finn
Hales
Jordan
Root
Taylor
Tredwell
Woakes

Stokes is out.

[Arthur Crabtree]

As expected really. Just Ballance for Cook. I guess there'll be a few injuries along the way.

[hopeforthebest]

England's 15 has been confirmed.

Morgan (c)
Moeen Ali
Anderson
Ballance
Bell
Buttler
Bopara
Broad
Finn
Hales
Jordan
Root
Taylor
Tredwell
Woakes

Stokes is out.

Bell's inclusion will be a big disappointment fore many on here.

[rich1uk]

England's 15 has been confirmed.

Morgan (c)
Moeen Ali
Anderson
Ballance
Bell
Buttler
Bopara
Broad
Finn
Hales
Jordan
Root
Taylor
Tredwell
Woakes

Stokes is out.

Bell's inclusion will be a big disappointment fore many on here.

this may come as a surprise to you but not everyone is as bothered about bell being in or out of the squad as you are ...

I think we need some experience around the squad , I do hope he doesn't end up in the first choice XI tho as if he does we would almost have been as well just keeping cook

[Arthur Crabtree]

I think Bell was an obvious pick, and would have had him in the side all year. As I've said many times.

[ianp1970]

Assuming that Morgan, Buttler and Bopara are going to bat at 5/6/7, then picking 2 batsmen out of the 4 squad slots is surely one too many?

[Arthur Crabtree]

Yes, Ballance didn't have to be picked. I wonder if Patel or Wiley would have offered more options. There isn't really an alternative to Bopara in the fifteen.