CC discussion thread 2014

[sussexpob]

So I got Sangakarra in the county fantasy auction, and then I find out that he was only signed to play two matches.....

TWO FRIGGING MATCHES....!!!!!

This is a joke competition, it really is...... Durham parachute a man with a test average of 59 into play Sussex, he salvages a draw from a situation they could lose by bashing us halfway round East Sussex, and then he buggers off and gets replaced by someone with a test best score of 32.... a figure less than Sangakkarra's test hundreds!!!!

The transfer/loan/oversees recruitment/international call up's are really testing my patience with the county championship. Its no longer a fair competition.... its a lottery of seemingly when you play teams and catch them without their best players, who are taken out to play England Z team vs Mongolian C at a regular basis.

It seems this lottery is designed specifically to ruin my county.... like last season, when we played all the top clubs just as our team was ravaged by ODI call ups!!

[SaintPowelly]

he played for them as an alternative to playing ODIs vs Ireland, seeing as SriLanka were in the country anyway.

I don't think Durham paid any money, other than accomadation as he would of been playing for SL as part of his central contract and it was more benefitial for SL to have him prepared for tests.

Personally I don't have an issue with it, I think players of his quality are good for the English game, that said had he scored runs against Hants I may be saying the same as you, it annoyed me when Essex signed Bravo for finals day (although he had a mare and we won )

[SaintPowelly]

Toby Roland-Jones took 6-55, smashed 60 off 30 balls and now has 4-32

[sussexpob]

Toby Roland-Jones took 6-55, smashed 60 off 30 balls and now has 4-32

Maybe we would pick him for England if he put on weight and started talking with a Yorkshire accent....

[D/L]

Toby Roland-Jones took 6-55, smashed 60 off 30 balls and now has 4-32

Maybe we would pick him for England if he put on weight and started talking with a Yorkshire accent....

Just shows how good Bresnan must be to keep out a player with a double-barrelled surname and called "Toby" too.

[SaintPowelly]

ESPNcricinfo can today provide the facts that prove the legality of Saeed Ajmal's bowling action.

Ajmal was Man of the Series against England after taking 24 wickets in the three-Test series and playing a prominent role in Pakistan's first Test whitewash against England.

Ajmal caused confusion when he gave a TV interview following the series and appeared to indicate he had been given dispensation by the ICC to bowl above the 15-degree tolerance limit.

Countless fans have contacted ESPNcricinfo through social networking sites and by email asking us to clarify the situation regarding Ajmal. After a thorough investigation, including extensive discussion with the ICC, these are the facts.

Ajmal's action is well within the ICC range of tolerance. While he does bowl with a bend in his arm, it does not straighten more, on average, than about eight degrees.

His arm does come through at a bent angle but that is allowed so long as it doesn't straighten beyond the tolerance level.

The figure of 23.5 degrees mentioned by Ajmal is the average angle of his arm at the beginning of delivery.

The ICC put Ajmal, along with other bowlers, under constant scrutiny and evidence suggests that there has been no significant deterioration in Ajmal's action since he was tested in 2009.

Contrary to widespread belief, Ajmal's off-break and quicker ball actually cause his arm to straighten more - though only a fraction more - than his much-debated doosra.

The ICC is reluctant to discuss bowling actions in detail because officials fear the subject is too complicated to explain.

[sussexpob]

So they haven't tested it since 2009, so the answers in relation to comments made about the England series afterwards actually prove nothing.....

They haven't provided any evidence because we wouldn't understand it....

So, in other words, this is a cover up.

[SaintPowelly]

That article was written in 2012, they have re-tested since, but thats what George Dobell re-posted today.

[sussexpob]

That article was written in 2012, they have re-tested since, but thats what George Dobell re-posted today.

And since 2012, didn't Ajmal actually say something along the lines of "the ICC know I have a bad arm, and allow me to bowl 23 degrees"..... pretty sure that is a direct quote from his own mouth, but the ICC jumped into say that he had mixed up his "flexmajigything" with his "megatensileflexthingymajigy"

Or, in essence, he was honest and didn't know it was a cover up.

[sussexpob]

Here is that one....

"Someone is telling me my action is bad because the ICC allowed me as a bowler 23.5 degrees, because my arm is not good. A few years ago I had an accident. Otherwise, no problem, the action was cleared by ICC."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v- ... 52462.html

wonder what he got confused about the ICC letting him do? Surely the ICC wouldn't specifically "allow" him to do something legal?

[SaintPowelly]

That article was written in 2012, they have re-tested since, but thats what George Dobell re-posted today.

And since 2012, didn't Ajmal actually say something along the lines of "the ICC know I have a bad arm, and allow me to bowl 23 degrees"..... pretty sure that is a direct quote from his own mouth, but the ICC jumped into say that he had mixed up his "flexmajigything" with his "megatensileflexthingymajigy"

Or, in essence, he was honest and didn't know it was a cover up.

The article does touch on that slightly :

Ajmal caused confusion when he gave a TV interview following the series and appeared to indicate he had been given dispensation by the ICC to bowl above the 15-degree tolerance limit.

I'm not sure what to make of it, but I know it doesn't bother me nearly as much as fixing.

[D/L]

ESPNcricinfo can today provide the facts that prove the legality of Saeed Ajmal's bowling action...

That's just passing on disinformation from the ICC looking after their phoney-baloney jobs.

If it looks like a chuck and behaves like a chuck, it probably is a chuck.

[SaintPowelly]

That article was written in 2012, they have re-tested since, but thats what George Dobell re-posted today.

That was supposed to say "MIGHT have re-tested since".

[sussexpob]

I mean looking back on that quotation, what could Ajmal have meant? I cant find any explanation other than he slipped up.... what could be over 23.5 degrees and "permissive" without it being his bowling arm flexing? The exact quote even draws on the fact they are "allowing him" to do it, and the part about the arm problems is used as explanation. If they are allowing it, then by the tone of the comment, its a comment about something not permitted.

Why would he be referring to anything legal?

[hopeforthebest]

Testing under laboratory conditions is hardly the same as what the bowler does in a game. There's no way the eye can detect whether the flex is 15 degrees or 18 degrees. The claim that the third umpire is checking I find difficult to accept. It's total bunkum the ICC give out on this subject.