Spot Fixing?

[ddb]

Unlikely really, given who is now involved that we'll ever see the full extent to this. Sree etc maybe scapegoat for a much bigger thing.

[DeltaAlpha]

What's "unlikely", ddb?

[DeltaAlpha]

Adi,

I think you're arguing against legalising betting on cricket on the grounds that it would entice more people to bet, and that would increase poverty because it's always the bookies (whoever they may be) who make the money. But there's a counter-argument that legalising it would make it easier to clean up. You argue that the betting should be cleaned up first, and then, if that is successful, it may be possible to consider legalising it.

I would go with your way of looking at it. I don't see how legalising betting would clean it up - as you say, there has been fixing in the UK and elsewhere, where betting on cricket is already legal. Legalising it now would simply drive it further underground and make it even more difficult to control fixing. Looking at things more generally, there are loads of things that are illegal but still take place.

I thought you may be a non-betting man - so am I; I've never placed a bet in my life. I would rather invest safely for a known return than spend money hoping for a big 'reward', the chances of which are exceedingly small.

[Making_Splinters]

If something is illegal then those who offer the services people clearly want to use have a monopoly and a considerable degree of power. Giving people a legal option reduces the power and income of the criminal element.

Then again I've always felt all drugs etc should be legal.

[meninblue]

Adi,

I think you're arguing against legalising betting on cricket on the grounds that it would entice more people to bet, and that would increase poverty because it's always the bookies (whoever they may be) who make the money. But there's a counter-argument that legalising it would make it easier to clean up. You argue that the betting should be cleaned up first, and then, if that is successful, it may be possible to consider legalising it.

I would go with your way of looking at it. I don't see how legalising betting would clean it up - as you say, there has been fixing in the UK and elsewhere, where betting on cricket is already legal. Legalising it now would simply drive it further underground and make it even more difficult to control fixing. Looking at things more generally, there are loads of things that are illegal but still take place.

I thought you may be a non-betting man - so am I; I've never placed a bet in my life. I would rather invest safely for a known return than spend money hoping for a big 'reward', the chances of which are exceedingly small.

Yes Delta, you have summed up very well in the first sentence. To add to it, betting will cause more problems than just financial ones indirectly. Neither is it going the solve the issue of fixing as we have already discussed taking examples of fixing incidents in England. Activities which are a threat to majority of society need not be legalized. For e.g, drugs (non medicinal like cocaine, heroin, charas,ganja etc), prostitution, betting etc. One day drug users will start demanding lets make drug selling legal in India because it will earn tax for India. As you said these illegal things will continue to happen in all countries even though they are banned, but that way it is affecting the society in less magnitude than it would had it been legal.

[Making_Splinters]

A danger to an individual is not the same as a danger to society.

Is not funneling all this money into the hands of people beyond the law a far greater danger to society?

[ddb]

What's "unlikely", ddb?

That we will know exactly what has gone on as it now links to the BCCI chief. Chennai were quick to remove any link to his son in law. http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-prem ... 37518.html

[meninblue]

IPL spot-fixing: CSK boss Gurunath Meiyappan arrested in Mumbai


Reference:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ipl-s ... i/1120168/

The IPL spot-fixing scandal netted its biggest catch Friday as the Mumbai Police arrested Gurunath Meiyappan, son-in-law of the Indian cricket board president N Srinivasan and head of the most successful team in the six-year-old league, for his suspected role in the betting-fixing racket. - See more at: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ipl-s ... Z2quU.dpuf

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‘Won’t sponsor India till Srinivasan leaves helm’
In the wake of Gurunath Meiyappan's name cropping up in the IPL spot-fixing scandal, Sahara group chief Subrata Roy has called for the IPL to terminate the contract of Chennai Super Kings. Meiyappan's father-in-law N Srinivasan is the BCCI president and the managing director of India Cements, who own CSK. Meiyappan is a member of the CSK management team.

"If a franchise is involved in betting their contract should immediately be scrapped," said Roy, in an interview with TV channel Times Now. "If an owner is involved in betting it's wrong."
- See more at: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/wont- ... boT53.dpuf

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This is getting so ridiculous now. There is widespread demand to sack CSK team from the IPL. This is total failure of BCCI and IPL committee. Even the franchisees management are arrested for being accused in this scandal.

[meninblue]

I saw a TV serial episode which was based on fixing. This is spreading like epidemic.

There were few movies in bollywood based on fixing like "Gangster" . Hopefully, there will be another movie this year on this fixing incident.
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Vindoo names 3 Chennai players, including a senior

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Specials/ ... 64947.aspx

Three Chennai Super Kings players, one of them quite senior, were in touch with Vindoo Dara Singh during the ongoing T20 season, the actor, arrested in connection with the spot-fixing probe, has told investigators. "Yes, he has dropped some names, we are verifying the authenticity of his claims," said the joint commissioner of police (crime), Himanshu Roy, who refused to reveal the identities of the cricketers.

[meninblue]

BCCI plans to suspend N. Srinivasan

Reference: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/new ... 749637.ece

N. Srinivasan’s days as BCCI President seem to be numbered as a faction within the board is planning to initiate suspension proceedings against him if he refuses to step down in the aftermath of the IPL spot-fixing scandal that has thrown Indian Cricket into disarray.

[meninblue]

I saw a TV serial episode which was based on fixing. This is spreading like epidemic.

There were few movies in bollywood based on fixing like "Gangster" . Hopefully, there will be another movie this year on this fixing incident.

Found this now.

IPL 2013 spot-fixing: Sreesanth’s story to be part of Malayalam film Cricket

Reference:
http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossi ... m-cricket/

Disgraced cricketer Sreesanth is going to be the subject of a film titled Cricket, to be made by Malayalam filmmaker duo Shaji Kailas and AK Sajan. The two have already begun preliminary work on the movie, which will be written by Sajan and directed by Shaji who made Eklavyan and Mafia before.

[meninblue]

Another reason why betting should not be legalized is we do not yet have laws for match/spot fixing.

Working on new law to curb dishonest practices in sports: Kapil Sibal

Reference:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 261128.cms

In the wake of shocking allegations of spot-fixing in IPL, a new standalone law to deal with such "dishonest practices" in all kinds of sports will be enacted soon.

Announcing this on Saturday, law minister Kapil Sibal said the new law was favoured by attorney general GE Vahanvati as activities like match-fixing or spot-fixing are not covered under the present laws.

He told a press conference that the "dishonest practices like match-fixing and spot-fixing" need to be dealt with in a "holistic manner" and the new law was favoured instead of mere amendments to the IPC.

"The first draft of the new law will be ready in three to four days," he said, adding it will then be sent to the sports ministry for further consultations and opinions of experts.

[Making_Splinters]

If anything that just shows why it is so important to provide a legal avenue for people to gamble, Adi.

I find it strange considering your previous posts about where the profits from gambling go in India that you'd be so against removing their monopoly.

[meninblue]

If anything that just shows why it is so important to provide a legal avenue for people to gamble, Adi.

I find it strange considering your previous posts about where the profits from gambling go in India that you'd be so against removing their monopoly.

Monopoly removal is not going to be from day betting is legalized. For that to happen there are many other things which government has to tackle so that monopoly is reduced drastically and betting business is made legally available. Also that is not the only reason why betting should not be legalized in India. I have elaborated them in my discussion with Delta regarding betting . I agree to disagree that legalized betting is the solution for Indian environment.

Fixing is happening in England even though betting is legal there. So legalized betting is neither going to solve the issue of spot fixing as seen from other examples.

Majority Indian public does not wants betting to be made legal. There is huge public pressure of this on government. That is one more reason why government is not even considering that option. Indian Government is not going to legalize it.

[Making_Splinters]

If you don't legalise it then all people are going to do is continue funding criminal organisations, I think earlier you said the profits were actually going to terrorist groups didn't you?

There are only two ways to deal with that; stop people engaging in criminal activity or legalise the activity to get profits from it going out of the hands of criminals.

If you think you can stop people betting then best of luck with that.