Spot Fixing?

[Arthur Crabtree]

Unless the CAS can tell the ICC that their punishments are unfair. Which, since the ICC recognises the CAS suggests that the process isn't coherent. Why have punishments that can be overturned as excessive by a court that you recognise, even if they are definitely guilty? The ICC should have sounded out what the CAS find acceptable.

[rich1uk]

as long as the ICC have followed their own rules to the letter , as i think they have, and have applied the bans as prescribed by the code of conduct that was signed up to by all parties, which i again think they have, then i dont see how CAS can overturn

even if CAS did decide to reduce the length of the bans would the PCB really select either butt or asif again ?

[Arthur Crabtree]

Don't think so. The team has moved on. And the players in the team might have their own feelings about these players coming back. But who knows what the PCB will do.

Things may be different for Amir. But, Butt wasn't any better than what they have. Asif should have demolished the last chance saloon.

Are they looking at anything more than Pakistan T20? Even the BPL won't have them.

[meninblue]

Yes, maybe the fixers want to play in the to be launched PSL . Other T20 tournaments will avoid them for sure.

[SaintPowelly]

If Amir ever plays again, I will quit watching cricket, its a disgrace.

[meninblue]

If Amir ever plays again, I will quit watching cricket, its a disgrace.

They are really shameless. Even if one of our clubmate was caught fixing in a club match , he would feel so shameful that he would never even come for nets in front of us. The coach wont even need to drop him or get lost. But these 3 shameless creatures fixed an international match/series/cup (who knows) and still have all the guts to show the world as if they have done good deeds.

[Making_Splinters]

While the ICC may have to listen to the Court of Appeal, I can't see any court overturning a ban on two players who never admitted their guilt and actually pleaded inocent on any grounds.

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[sussexpob]

If Amir ever plays again, I will quit watching cricket, its a disgrace.

They are really shameless. Even if one of our clubmate was caught fixing in a club match , he would feel so shameful that he would never even come for nets in front of us. The coach wont even need to drop him or get lost. But these 3 shameless creatures fixed an international match/series/cup (who knows) and still have all the guts to show the world as if they have done good deeds.

Couldnt disagree more.

The bloke was clearly an immature teenager thrust into sudden fame from tribal origins, who placed his trust in someone that didnt deserve it, probably because he was desperate to knit a close relationship with an influential player in the team or because he felt alienated because of his age and background.

It was a bad mistake, but I dont really want to live in a world where something so trivial as giving away two no balls can cost possible the most promising bowler in recent times his entire career.

In all walks of life we should be able to give people so young who have made mistakes the opportunity of redemption.

[shankycricket]

If Amir ever plays again, I will quit watching cricket, its a disgrace.

They are really shameless. Even if one of our clubmate was caught fixing in a club match , he would feel so shameful that he would never even come for nets in front of us. The coach wont even need to drop him or get lost. But these 3 shameless creatures fixed an international match/series/cup (who knows) and still have all the guts to show the world as if they have done good deeds.

Couldnt disagree more.

The bloke was clearly an immature teenager thrust into sudden fame from tribal origins, who placed his trust in someone that didnt deserve it, probably because he was desperate to knit a close relationship with an influential player in the team or because he felt alienated because of his age and background.

It was a bad mistake, but I dont really want to live in a world where something so trivial as giving away two no balls can cost possible the most promising bowler in recent times his entire career.

In all walks of life we should be able to give people so young who have made mistakes the opportunity of redemption.

I'm inclined to agree....

[Arthur Crabtree]

I don't see why these players shouldn't have another chance Sussex. And once the suspension is over then they can be free to live as they wish. I'm not sure though that cricket should have them back. They can have all the redemption they want. And I hope they find success in the future. What they did to their sport gravely damaged it. Anyone can be struck off from their profession. They are free to look for redemption elsewhere. I hope they find it.

[rich1uk]

i still just dont understand how CAS can possibly either overturn their bans or reduce them based on what seems to be the argument from butt and asif that whilst not denying they did what they were found guilty of, that the bans were unfair.

the way things like this can be dragged through different levels of legal proceedings and the amount of money that is wasted in the process really winds me up. they have been judged guilty by an independent tribunal , they have been found guilty by a jury in a criminal case but here they are using the system to try and be allowed to play the game they disgraced without even disputing that guilt.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I guess they are saying that they are guilty, but the punishment isn't fair. Which is what the group who took charge of their case for the ICC said. But the ICC stood by their minimum ban. Most people apart from the ICC adjudicators felt the punishments were quite lenient. But if the judges of the case felt otherwise, maybe these two have some hope.

[SaintPowelly]

If Amir ever plays again, I will quit watching cricket, its a disgrace.

They are really shameless. Even if one of our clubmate was caught fixing in a club match , he would feel so shameful that he would never even come for nets in front of us. The coach wont even need to drop him or get lost. But these 3 shameless creatures fixed an international match/series/cup (who knows) and still have all the guts to show the world as if they have done good deeds.

Couldnt disagree more.

The bloke was clearly an immature teenager thrust into sudden fame from tribal origins, who placed his trust in someone that didnt deserve it, probably because he was desperate to knit a close relationship with an influential player in the team or because he felt alienated because of his age and background.

It was a bad mistake, but I dont really want to live in a world where something so trivial as giving away two no balls can cost possible the most promising bowler in recent times his entire career.

In all walks of life we should be able to give people so young who have made mistakes the opportunity of redemption.

The difference is, he accepted payment for said no-balls ( and we don't know what he may of done before that, that we will never find out about ), its hard too say that someone was bullied into when they are on the payroll. Old enough to play international cricket, old enough to deal with the consequences.

[Arthur Crabtree]

The aspect that gets forgotten about, is that these are criminal gangs that they were dealing with. It's overwhelmingly probable that these gangs are involved in many very predatory activities.

It's not just a case of a couple of no balls. We don't even know how far this went. It's pretty likely that Pakistan players were involved in match fixing. I can't feel sympathy for these three just because they were the unlucky ones who got caught. I can't agree it was a minor matter.

[rich1uk]

I guess they are saying that they are guilty, but the punishment isn't fair. Which is what the group who took charge of their case for the ICC said. But the ICC stood by their minimum ban. Most people apart from the ICC adjudicators felt the punishments were quite lenient. But if the judges of the case felt otherwise, maybe these two have some hope.

the punishments were what are specified in the code of conduct that was signed up to by all parties however

if CAS reduce the length of the bans it then questions the validity of anything that is in the code of conduct