Making_Splinters wrote:sussexpob wrote:Arthur Crabtree wrote:So apart from the journo, who does inventing a fix benefit? Do these just flare up like wildfires? Or do bookies use these suggestions to procure bets? Just hypothetical questions. But it might be that there are dozens of suggested fixes, and the ones remembered or reported are the ones that most nearly match what happened. Like horoscopes.
Put simply, even if 22 players were united in fixing a game, it would be too hard to manufacture such a fixed outcome without being blatent. Its like the accusations that were proved against Cronje and others were all obvious and controllable things, such as opening the bowler with a part timer or only bowling a front line bowler 4 overs in a match. They are the fringe elements that spread betting comes down to, so if you bet that say Shaun Pollock would only go for less than 17 runs in a ODI at massive odds, you whipped him out the attack after 2 overs and the high level bet would be correct.
IIRC, Gibbs had admitted to being asked to get out for 15 by Cronje, but he had been bowled in the first over for a duck.... even if he wanted to throw his wicket away, the still had to survive to that point, which he was unable to do, so the whole fix did not match,
He made 70 odd in that match.
Are you talking about Gibbs? As I said, IIRC thats what happened. So you are saying Gibbs actually refused and batted without getting out?
The main point still holds firm. The whole series was full of questionable calls that could be justified, it was just when the amount of these little suspicions mounted up that you thought something could be wrong, but they were all controllable and didnt look to fix too much or whole results, just something out of the ordinary that could produce high odds for a bookmaker to either win on account of the ordinary bets that people made not being won, or from a potential high stakes person winning a lot of money on an unlikely event.
I mean in 99/00 when South Africa toured India, in the ODIs they had Dean Crookes bat at 4, Boje batted everywhere in the top 6 despite being a low order player, Klusener was promoted a few times past established batsman, and in one game Steve Eldworthy bowled 2 overs with the new ball and was replaced not to return. Ther was also the Henry Williams injury where I think Cronje jad agreed a certain amount of runs for him to conceed, and mid over he was about to exceed the agreed amount, so he feighned injury and Neil Mackensie took the ball.
3 overs into a ODI and Neil Mackensie has ball in hand?
