Spot Fixing?

[andy]

guys it would be sensible if we didnt throw names around, as we dont know if this is even true yet..

[shankycricket]

IF it is true

[Making_Splinters]

guys it would be sensible if we didnt throw names around, as we dont know if this is even true yet..

I'm highly sceptical at present, strikes me as the farmer who's crops have failed blaming the spinster at the end of the lane.

[OffStumpYorker]

Salman Butt, is trying everything he can to convince people hes innocenct, firstly by demanding a 'new' trial in pakistan to clear his name, and also claiming to have new evidence that he deliberately withheld from the trial last year, for the 'sake of pakistan cricket'. Yet he now thinks its ok to go public with it.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/570450.html

I wonder how much a judge costs in pakistan now-a-days, as im sure the people behind the butt will stump up the money in order to get back into the international team.

[meninblue]

Shameless people those 3 IMO.

[OffStumpYorker]

Shameless people those 3 IMO.

Very true adi, though I do have a little respect for Amir as he pleaded guilty, and I dont think hes challenging the ICC ban, Asif and Butt though are just showing thier true colours, most people would just keep thier heads down, but they seem to be intent in keeping themselves in the headlines.

Also an innocent man wouldnt spend 10 months in prision if he had evidence to prove his innocence, I'm really suprised that it took 12-14 months to be produced, or that they would hold onto that evidence, as a good barrister would have submited it to the cps with a view to getting the charges dropped entirely before it went to trial.

[Arthur Crabtree]

You'd think that admitting guilt would be part of the deal in getting out so early. You used to not get parole if you contested the verdict. The UK letting him out early, and then Butt slating the legal system, has no doubt put out a few people over here.

[meninblue]

Shameless people those 3 IMO.

Very true adi, though I do have a little respect for Amir as he pleaded guilty, and I dont think hes challenging the ICC ban, Asif and Butt though are just showing thier true colours, most people would just keep thier heads down, but they seem to be intent in keeping themselves in the headlines.

Also an innocent man wouldnt spend 10 months in prision if he had evidence to prove his innocence, I'm really suprised that it took 12-14 months to be produced, or that they would hold onto that evidence, as a good barrister would have submited it to the cps with a view to getting the charges dropped entirely before it went to trial.

I am not surprised they are running to the court in Pakistan as they hope for a favorable result. They have been biggest dangers to the spirit of cricket and could have spoiled the sport had they not been exposed. For the sake of cricket they should morally get away from cricket and pursue some other career honestly to gain respect. They cannot earn respect in cricketing career even if they score doubles or take 10 fers. They are proven cricketing cheats.

More cricketers who like ice creams. Glad they have been banned although it should have been life ban IMO.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/conte ... 70524.html

[meninblue]

Shameless people those 3 IMO.

Very true adi, though I do have a little respect for Amir as he pleaded guilty, and I dont think hes challenging the ICC ban, Asif and Butt though are just showing thier true colours, most people would just keep thier heads down, but they seem to be intent in keeping themselves in the headlines.

Also an innocent man wouldnt spend 10 months in prision if he had evidence to prove his innocence, I'm really suprised that it took 12-14 months to be produced, or that they would hold onto that evidence, as a good barrister would have submited it to the cps with a view to getting the charges dropped entirely before it went to trial.

I am not surprised they are running to the court in Pakistan as they hope for a favorable result. They have been biggest dangers to the spirit of cricket and could have spoiled the sport had they not been exposed. For the sake of cricket they should morally get away from cricket and pursue some other career honestly to gain respect. They cannot earn respect in cricketing career even if they score doubles or take 10 fers. They are proven cricketing cheats.

More cricketers who like ice creams. Glad they have been banned although it should have been life ban IMO.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/conte ... 70524.html

I wonder if the bookies might be forcing them as well to fight the verdict just to show the world that fixing does not exist. However, if these 3 are opposing the verdict on their own then i will have to say they are not those who don't admit mistakes. Maybe their ego is bigger than Elephant.

[OffStumpYorker]

Adi,

I'm only aware of Asif and Butt challenging thier bans through CAS, and now Butt looking to have a trial in pakistan to prove his innocence, however it still doesnt clear him in the UK, no matter what the Pakistan court does.

Amir is the only one that isnt challenging his ban and admitted he was guilty before the trial started, unless theres been some other news on Amir that im not aware of.

I've just read the article on the Indian cricketers which shows that the other boards are taking this issue very seriously and I applaud the BCCI for its stance on the matter as we need all the boards to root out this 'evil' from the game, I just wish the ASCU could run sting operations with local law enforcement agencies, or even have undercover members approach players to see if they report the approaches.

I do weep that it has come to this, as the game is being dragged through the mud, I just hope they dont take thier eye off the ball like they did after Cronje.

[SaintPowelly]

though I do have a little respect for Amir as he pleaded guilty,

I cant believe you said that

[OffStumpYorker]

though I do have a little respect for Amir as he pleaded guilty,

I cant believe you said that

Why? whats wrong for saying I have a little respect for someone who sticks thier hand up and admits that they broke the law, which is exactly what Amir did.

By the way respect doesnt mean I condone what he did, i dont, and never will. I've been quite open in my views on spot-fixing, saying that they should be banned for life from all forms of cricket regardless of whether they owned up or not.

[meninblue]

OSY, the sad part of all the fixing is that the masterminds who fix players/matches are not arrested. Those gangsters are still safe.


http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?204763

http://chandragupta-acharya.blogspot.in ... d-you.html

When the fixers are captains like Azhar, Hansie, Salman the game suffers the most as more players get recruited for fixers.

Kambli: Azharuddin's decision to field first in 1996 World Cup semis stunned me. Kambli cried in that match after India lost and he could not get a chance to save the match. But the idiot fixer captain had already sold himself before the toss.

[OffStumpYorker]

Again I agree the people at the top, ie the bookmakers need to be dealt with, the problem is that it is diffidult as they have so many people in thier pockets.

As you said in an earlier post the bookies might be the paymasters behind the attempts for these players to clear thier names, simply because it will give them a recuiting tool, as they will claim that if you get caught then the authorities cant do anything, as they will look after you as they did with Butt and Asif.

I'm sure we've discussed the before Adi, but what are your feelings about legalising gambling in india?

[meninblue]

Yes OSY, we discussed about the pros and cons of legalizing betting couple of months back. It will gain taxes for the country which legalizes it and create job opportunities etc. However, England has legalized betting but West Mayfield, Kaneria, etc are still being fixed in counties. So if legalizing betting is not stopping match fixing then apart from tax gains it is solving none of the crucial pruposes. Also, betting business runners will find ways to evade taxes as other businesses do. So even the tax gain does not has that much weight to legalize betting.

It is proved that gangsters who are masterminds of fixing, run the betting rackets all over world and India as well. They will setup business. Betting profits will be used for anti social purpose as the gangster-politician-police nexus will get more stronger as more money will lure the greedy much easily.