Racism in English football?

[sussexpob]

Alex Ferguson is not a hypocrite on the issues of racism. He has ALWAYS been one of the forebearers on attacking racism and hooligans in the game.

I heard that, for instance, he has wrote to fans personally in the past who travel to potentially violent away games( Like Liverpool) to ask them not to sing about derogitory subjects, and apparently everyone who travellled to the recent FA cup game got a letter from Ferguson asking them not to sing songs about Hillsbrough.... something he has attacked his own fans for years on(he once also mentioned it in an AGM meeting and asked the communication to be past to all fan boards and Man United affiliated websites)....

Dalglish was made to seem like a dinosaur with his comments after the game.... the man has no class, its been shown through this whole affair.

[Gingerfinch]

Fergie was NOT saying he should be sold because of the racist comments though but because of the handshake. Or maybe he was?

[rich1uk]

i think dalglish's role on saturday is being over-stated tbh

as has been reported dalgish DID tell suarez that he had to shake hands with evra and suarez ignored him , daglish's post game comments could have been made assuming suarez had done what he had been told to do and he might not have known what actually happened

its wrong to assume he had seen the TV pictures or anything else when he was interviewed minutes after the game finished

[Aidan11]

Dalglish doesn't do himself any favours though.

Every time someone asks him a question about anything he screws his face up and adopts a siege mentality.

Interviewers do ask questions managers don't like but that's their job and most managers just play the game. By being aggressive he just gives fodder to the media.

[rich1uk]

Dalglish doesn't do himself any favours though.

Every time someone asks him a question about anything he screws his face up and adopts a siege mentality.

Interviewers do ask questions managers don't like but that's their job and most managers just play the game. By being aggressive he just gives fodder to the media.

not disagreeing with that aidan and as i said earlier in the thread he is a stubborn so-and-so at the best of times

just saying that specifically about saturday he instructed suarez to shake hands and try to diffuse the situation but suarez ignored that and we cant assume dalglish knew exactly what had gone on when he was interviewed minutes after the game when he would have had 101 things to deal with during the match itself

[sussexpob]

i think dalglish's role on saturday is being over-stated tbh

The role of Dalglish in seemingly defending and refusing to criticise Suarez until yesterday's apology, which I am dubious came from him(Im sure someone had a word with him after the interview and told him in no uncertain terms he needed to rebutt his stupid comments post match), have added more spark and hatred to an issue that could have adequately been settled with a ban and fine.

You have seen with their seeming condoning of the incident that the fans at Liverpool felt it necessary to abuse a lower league player to the point of tears... if the Suarez affair had been nipped in the bud and an apology issued, would Liverpool fans felt the need to do this?

Also the fact that, as said above, Ferguson has campaigned for Man United supporters clubs to stop the Hillsbrough chants and tried actively to get away fans who throw abuse banned from travelling with United.... and yet we see the recent FA cup tie become a horrible seesawing between fans picking fun at people who lost their lives. Man United are not whiter than white, but by all accounts the Liverpool fans started it in the FA Cup with chants about the Munich AIr disaster....

Both sets of fans need to grow up and be told what they are doing is not acceptable.... Dalglish can at least try to appear to be combating this behaviour.

If Liverpool had any class they would have shown Dalglish the door.... I renjoyed his return to football when it first happened, I respected what he has done in the game, but he is not a manager that seems to have the common sense in dealing with the media these days.

I have the belief that he personal disagrees with everything he has said but his loyalty to his players has put his own position in an awkward position.

[rich1uk]

if you try and read what i said i was referring specifically to dalglish's interview on saturday, not how he has handled the overall situation

he told suarez to go through with the handshake and we cant assume he did not know that didn't happen. if you consider his comments in light of him assuming suarez had done what he was told to do they make more sense

[sussexpob]

if you try and read what i said i was referring specifically to dalglish's interview on saturday, not how he has handled the overall situation

he told suarez to go through with the handshake and we cant assume he did not know that didn't happen. if you consider his comments in light of him assuming suarez had done what he was told to do they make more sense

He was told by Geoff Shreeves more than once that Suarez had refused, after which he instantly defended his player with no justification. He originally had the right approach, to simply deny he had seen it and then obviously discuss and issue a statement, but instead he went down the "how dare you blame this on Suarez" route.

That speaks of a defence of Suarez on the whole issue, still refusing to accept his player has done wrong by inferring or pretending like he has done no wrong...

So yes its relevant.... I watched that interview and thought that if I was his Chairman I would be telling him the first thing he does when he gets back to Anfield is clear his desk up and *modded* off

[ddb]

http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/sports-f ... 11839.html

[rich1uk]

good thing you are not his chairman then if you would make decisions like that

so what if geoff shreeves told him something , is he meant to believe what a reporter says who is trying to get a soundbite from an interview ?

i've already said dalglish has handled the whole thing badly but i still think his comments were made on an incorrect assumption that suarez had done what dalglish told him to do

the subsequent apologies support that opinion as well once dalglish found out what really happened

[Gingerfinch]

I expect Dalglish was told to apologise.

I must say and I said this the other day, Dalglish is beginning to get on my wick in his interviews. He never seems to give a straight answer and looks paranoid. I can imagine his wife saying "what would you like for dinner tonight" and Dalglish saying "what type of question is that?".

[rich1uk]

hes always been like that tho ginger

hes a stroppy, stubborn scotsman who likes being awkward with the media

he also hates losing so wouldn't have been overly co-operative at a post match interview having just lost to his biggest rivals

i repeat he has handled this situation poorly, but i just dont think his interview on saturday should be viewed as badly as it has been

my last comment on this situation as well

[sussexpob]

good thing you are not his chairman then if you would make decisions like that

Tbf, his chairman must be an idiot. He has given him over £100million to spend and he has wasted it on overpriced crap, and now they are only 3 points above Norwich, a team who's whole squad is apparently worth half of Jordan Henderson, and who's main striker is apparently valued at 80 times less then Carroll....

But Lambert took a nearing 30 year old Journeyman from Shewsbury for nothing and has seen him score like 75 goals in 2 and a half seasons, including 11 this year.... I think thats more than Suarez and Carroll combined, and amazing that Holt didnt really start for ten of the first games because Lambert went with Morrison as the lone forward.

so what if geoff shreeves told him something , is he meant to believe what a reporter says who is trying to get a soundbite from an interview ?

An interviewer is not going to lie about an issue like that... he can use his journalistic prowess to squeeze a reaction, but simply making up the fact that Suarez didnt shake hands is not going to happen....

And regardless anyway.... Dalglish's reaction stated that Geoff Shreeves was bang out of order to fault what Suarez has done if it was true, implying that he had nothing to apologise for, so in short you are wrong.

I agree with the Guardian..

In the end, it was difficult to know what was the more depressing and shocking: that moment when Luis Suárez walked past Patrice Evra, refused to shake his hand and reminded us this is a man whose brains are all in his feet, or afterwards when Kenny Dalglish tried to stare down the questions before coming up with a response that was so outlandishly flawed it made you wonder where he was storing all the qualities which we once associated with him?

[Gingerfinch]

good thing you are not his chairman then if you would make decisions like that

Tbf, his chairman must be an idiot. He has given him over £100million to spend and he has wasted it on overpriced crap, and now they are only 3 points above Norwich, a team who's whole squad is apparently worth half of Jordan Henderson, and who's main striker is apparently valued at 80 times less then Carroll....

But Lambert took a nearing 30 year old Journeyman from Shewsbury for nothing and has seen him score like 75 goals in 2 and a half seasons, including 11 this year.... I think thats more than Suarez and Carroll combined, and amazing that Holt didnt really start for ten of the first games because Lambert went with Morrison as the lone forward.

so what if geoff shreeves told him something , is he meant to believe what a reporter says who is trying to get a soundbite from an interview ?

An interviewer is not going to lie about an issue like that... he can use his journalistic prowess to squeeze a reaction, but simply making up the fact that Suarez didnt shake hands is not going to happen....

And regardless anyway.... Dalglish's reaction stated that Geoff Shreeves was bang out of order to fault what Suarez has done if it was true, implying that he had nothing to apologise for, so in short you are wrong.

I agree with the Guardian..

In the end, it was difficult to know what was the more depressing and shocking: that moment when Luis Suárez walked past Patrice Evra, refused to shake his hand and reminded us this is a man whose brains are all in his feet, or afterwards when Kenny Dalglish tried to stare down the questions before coming up with a response that was so outlandishly flawed it made you wonder where he was storing all the qualities which we once associated with him?

Well, they say never go back don't they. Liverpool to be fair have looked a good side when I have seen them this season but have drawn too many at home.

Back to the league. It still looks like a two horse race IMO but I am still unsure who will win it.

[mikesiva]

The suarez handshake thing should probably be here rather then the premiership thread.

It's strange how everyone is desperate to say that Liverpool are not racist ... yet they are clearly defending a racist ... they have not apologised for his racist comments and nor has he.

Apparently, Suarez was using the same wods to Glen Johnson in training - and no-one did anything about it.

Posts have been moved....

What Dalglish probably didn't realise is how badly this looked to the world at large, because, let's face it, Liverpool is an international brand. And when the you-know-what hit the fan with the New York Times piece below, then it's no surprise that owner JW Henry intervened and forced Dalglish and Suarez to apologise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/sport ... -evra.html

'Evra grabbed the arm of Suárez, who shrugged him off. De Gea seemed to try to ask Suárez to shake Evra’s hand, and he again refused. The next United player in line, Rio Ferdinand, then withdrew his hand as Suárez passed. “After seeing what happened, I decided not to shake his hand,” Ferdinand said after the game. “I lost all respect for the guy.” Ugly repercussions followed. The United crowd booed Suárez, as the Liverpool crowd had booed Evra in its stadium when the teams met in the F.A. Cup two weeks ago.'

I agree with Rio's sentiments....

Hopefully, Henry knocked some sense into Liverpool over this issue. It was looking like the tribal nature of club football was blinding them to the bigger picture....