Spot Fixing?

[yuppie]

Has anyone actually seen the article in the Sunday Times? I know we can no longer get access to the times unless someone is buying it. Can anyone confirm the English article?

[meninblue]

Since the fixing incident i haven't cared to watch any cricket match. I just cannot believe this has happened yet again after the confession of Hansie Cronje. What are the cricketers playing for and what was i watching all the time

Now on basis of records i can only trust Sachin, Dravid, Ponting and Kallis for not being involved in such murky things. Who knows what other players with bad statistics are up to ?

How do you know that these players haven't been on the take at some point? You couldn't possibly know that for sure unless you where actually one of them, or the bookie they did business with. Ponting's record in India is rubbish, yet he averages over 50 everywhere else. And in a game where every Indian bookmaker didn't want India to win, Sachin makes 4! Whilst I'm not questioning the integrity of 2 of the finest cricketers of the modern era here, what I am suggesting is that everyone has a price tag for their integrity, and some of us value it more so than others. Mohammad Azharuddin (and Hansie Cronje) obviously had a price for his, and is now a standing member in the lower house of the Indian parliament!


In sport, especially where money is involved, ANYTHING is possible.

As i say records. Once a player gets in to this habit he will tend to be a part whenever his teams match is being fixed which means he cannot mantain an impressive record thereafter. Also considering the threats from the underworld dons involved he surely won't get benefits about selecting some matches.

Azharuddin has been the biggest disgrace for Indian cricket as much as Hansie was to South African cricket. I don't have to say anything more than that about him.


Yes money has taken this game to a new low. Matches being fixed in all formats, all countries and all levels.

[ddb]

> In sport, especially where money is involved, ANYTHING is possible.

Breaking news:

Twenty nine cricketers, including two Australians are suspected to be involved in spot-fixing at last year's Indian Premier League in South Africa, a leading London newspaper claimed today.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/29-cricke ... 99172.aspx

Too early to comment on this I suppose; the ICC has neither confirmed nor denied this yet.

And, lest we forget, no Pakistanis were playing in that IPL....

No Englishman either, for that matter.

huh?

Bopara, KP etc were in this IPL 2, no?

[D/L]

Has anyone actually seen the article in the Sunday Times? I know we can no longer get access to the times unless someone is buying it. Can anyone confirm the English article?

Here you are, yuppie...

[yuppie]

Has anyone actually seen the article in the Sunday Times? I know we can no longer get access to the times unless someone is buying it. Can anyone confirm the English article?

Here you are, yuppie...

Cheers D/L

[Borges]

Apparently, an ICC spokesperson has confirmed the existence of the dossier, but has refused to say anything about its contents. I would think that it would be best if they came out into the open with all the available facts - IPL2 was over an year ago, and the investigation would surely have been completed by now.

Interestingly, this is what the outgoing head of ACSU Paul Condon had said a few months ago:

IPL 1 and 2 we were worried about, not because we think there were huge fixes, but because there was no infrastructure to prevent it. That doesn't mean to say that matches were fixed in IPL 1 and 2, but nor can I, hand on heart, give it a clean bill of health. I just don't know.

- http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/content ... 60389.html

[Borges]

It now turns out that this was a fabricated story - looks like yet one another sorry instance of a newspaper trying to boost its Sunday circulation by trotting out sensationalist conjecture.

It is true that Lord Condon, then chief of the ACSU, addressed the ICC Board on the threat of corruption that existed. At the time the IPL was in the limelight, so he did mention that he had heard accusations of irregularities, but at no stage was any report prepared.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/No-truth- ... 99422.aspx

CA and BCCI did well for a change - quickly scotching the rumours and killing the story before it took wings.

[D/L]

Given the vested interests at work, I have no inclination to take either account as the absolute truth. However, one aspect of it that they both seem to agree on is the lack of measures taken to counter betting fixes during the tournaments and it does make one wonder why.

[mikesiva]

'Mervyn Westfield, the former Essex fast bowler, has been charged with conspiracy to defraud over claims he deliberately bowled wides as part of a spot-betting scam during a Pro40 match against Durham last season. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) confirmed the charge on Thursday, a week after Danish Kaneria, the Pakistan legspinner, was cleared in the same investigation.'

http://www.cricinfo.com/england/content ... MP=OTC-RSS

'Investigators alleged Westfield "agreed to bowl his first over in such a way as to allow a certain number of runs to be scored." That centres on the use of deliberate wides and no-balls. During the match under investigation, Westfield conceded 60 runs in seven overs, with four wides and two no-balls. It was screened live on Sky TV around the world. "A 22-year old professional cricketer has today has been charged with conspiracy to defraud under common law and will appear at magistrates' court in London next week," read a statement issued by Essex Police. "The offence relates to a cricket match played on September 5, 2009, when Essex were playing Durham." '

[mikesiva]

And now, allegedly some players were involved in spot-fixing in last night's ODI, which Pakistan won....

http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakis ... 77641.html

It seems the story is this - the spot-fixing involved the amount of runs scored by the batsmen in two ODIs.

Now, how can the batsmen be certain of scoring a certain amount of runs, unless they were both maiden overs? That would have to involve collusion with the bowler, surely?

[ddb]

And now, allegedly some players were involved in spot-fixing in last night's ODI, which Pakistan won....

http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakis ... 77641.html

It seems the story is this - the spot-fixing involved the amount of runs scored by the batsmen in two ODIs.

Now, how can the batsmen be certain of scoring a certain amount of runs, unless they were both maiden overs? That would have to involve collusion with the bowler, surely?

Not really, the batsman could easily do this by themselves cos they bet on each 10 over session.

So if they were 35 off 7 and needed to stay to 40, they'd block most of the rest of the 3 overs.

[Dimi]

A lot of the betting on scores for batsmen are things like he will score more than 36.5 runs, so if say a batsman is in great form and everyone's betting that he'll score more than 36.5 runs, then the fixer can collude with the batsman and make sure he gets out for 36 runs or less.

[ddb]

A lot of the betting on scores for batsmen are things like he will score more than 36.5 runs, so if say a batsman is in great form and everyone's betting that he'll score more than 36.5 runs, then the fixer can collude with the batsman and make sure he gets out for 36 runs or less.

Yeah and there is one guy with great talent who fits that theory and got out to an awful shot...

[DeltaAlpha]

I find it hard to take this story seriously. Surely nobody would be so stupid as to continue with dubious practices while they were actually being investigated for other somewhat similar ones?

[Aidan11]

I find it hard to take this story seriously. Surely nobody would be so stupid as to continue with dubious practices while they were actually being investigated for other somewhat similar ones?

You would think so but it's difficult to know what is going through the minds of the alleged players. Are they just motivated by greed and just continue fixing regardless, or maybe something more sinister is involved and these guys are told what to do by possible mafia links?