Spot Fixing?

[Albondiga]

If you were in a position that you could blackmail a player with a genuine threat of harming their families, then you would have no need to pay them.

Yasir Hameed said that they could make upto 1.8mil..if I was the 'blackmailer' I wouldn't pay them at all - the threat would be enough.

Thats why I think it is all down to greed, its common knowledge that the Pakistanis don't get paid as much as the English or the Aussies.

You are probably right but blackmail is playing on people's PERCEPTION OF WRONGDOING and making capital of it. That is why it is successful. IE A husband has extra marital sex with one other woman - she knows this as as it was one time only doesn't care as she did the same several years ago - he doesn't know his wife knows and so is perfect for blackmail.

Possible but more likely to be greed rather than fear.

[SaintPowelly]

If you were in a position that you could blackmail a player with a genuine threat of harming their families, then you would have no need to pay them.

Yasir Hameed said that they could make upto 1.8mil..if I was the 'blackmailer' I wouldn't pay them at all - the threat would be enough.

Thats why I think it is all down to greed, its common knowledge that the Pakistanis don't get paid as much as the English or the Aussies.

You are probably right but blackmail is playing on people's PERCEPTION OF WRONGDOING and making capital of it. That is why it is successful. IE A husband has extra marital sex with one other woman - she knows this as as it was one time only doesn't care as she did the same several years ago - he doesn't know his wife knows and so is perfect for blackmail.

Possible but more likely to be greed rather than fear.

saying " give me the chance to give you 1.8mil or I'll shoot your mother" just seems bizarre especially if you are able to get the 'deed' done without handing over money

[mikesiva]

Greetings all -

First of all PCB and Pak players should apologize specifically to ECB

AS hosts ECB in the spirit of cricket and specifically to keep Pakistan Cricket alive offered the home series privilege to Pakistan

To use hallowed dressing rooms from a gracious host to vitiate that tradition with such heinous actions saddens, shocks and angers any average fan

What ails Pakistan players to be so susceptible to corruption? What worries me more is the deafening silence across the border where temptations are much larger

I have not posted in a long time as I tended to see games getting more meaningless - the odd test was interesting but teams are getting more similar, are not leading to hotly contested games but rather bland fare

Amir in particular and the Pak seam attack in general was an exciting entree in the rather bland fare and now we have the horror of discovering betting cockroaches scurrying through the dish

Nauseating and sadly a lament for potential lost

It is difficult to be a cynic and take spot fixing in stride as relatively harmless

Cricket is a sanctuary of hope in this cynical and murky world, and I for one pray that the powers to be have a conscience and cleanup once and for all, this scourge and preserve the pristine purity of this great game for generations to come

What would the Don (quote below) think of what has happened to the game today ?

"If I had to put it into one word? 'Integrity'." BRADMAN'S MOTTO: quote from Lord Harris former England captain and ambassador to India: 'You do well to love cricket, because it is more free from anything sordid, anything dishonorable than any game in the world. To play it keenly, generously, self-sacrificing is a moral lesson in itself, and the classroom is God's air and sunshine. Foster it, my brothers, so that it may attract all who find the time to play it, protect it from anything that will sully it, so that it may grow in favour with all men." And that was my creed, I commend that to everybody."

We all share your sadness at this nadir in Pakistani cricket, MP....

it gets worse....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricke ... e-ban.html

"Sportsmail has learned that wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal and suspended captain Salman Butt were contacted by cricket's ruling body, the ICC, after suspicions arose during the Asia Cup. The ICC Anti-Corruption Unit have demanded they release details of their telephone activity during the summer tournament in Sri Lanka. They expect the full cooperation of both players but have yet to receive a response from the Pakistan camp."

This was a month before the Lords Test....

[yorker_129-7]

It seems to be like one of those plants where the green shoot is just poking through, so you pull on it to pull it out and the roots seem to go on and on toward the centre of the earth.

[SaintPowelly]

for the next couple of years everytime that a Pakistani :

- bowls a no-ball
- bowls a wide
- drops a catch
- mis-fields

It will cross everyones mind "I wonder if that was on purpose" and that can't be good for anyone

[DeltaAlpha]

The trouble is that, even if all those involved in the present investigations are found to be innocent, people will still think the same. Sad days...

[Albondiga]

If you were in a position that you could blackmail a player with a genuine threat of harming their families, then you would have no need to pay them.

Yasir Hameed said that they could make upto 1.8mil..if I was the 'blackmailer' I wouldn't pay them at all - the threat would be enough.

Thats why I think it is all down to greed, its common knowledge that the Pakistanis don't get paid as much as the English or the Aussies.

You are probably right but blackmail is playing on people's PERCEPTION OF WRONGDOING and making capital of it. That is why it is successful. IE A husband has extra marital sex with one other woman - she knows this as as it was one time only doesn't care as she did the same several years ago - he doesn't know his wife knows and so is perfect for blackmail.

Possible but more likely to be greed rather than fear.

saying " give me the chance to give you 1.8mil or I'll shoot your mother" just seems bizarre especially if you are able to get the 'deed' done without handing over money

A good blackmailer makes the blackmailed seem to be the villain of the piece not the blackmailer.

You say that everyone knows that Pakistan players don't get paid as much as say Austrailians or the English. Is this relevant ??? I would suggest that a fiver goes considerably further in Pakistan than it does in England.

[sussexpob]

If you were in a position that you could blackmail a player with a genuine threat of harming their families, then you would have no need to pay them.

Yasir Hameed said that they could make upto 1.8mil..if I was the 'blackmailer' I wouldn't pay them at all - the threat would be enough.

Thats why I think it is all down to greed, its common knowledge that the Pakistanis don't get paid as much as the English or the Aussies.

You are probably right but blackmail is playing on people's PERCEPTION OF WRONGDOING and making capital of it. That is why it is successful. IE A husband has extra marital sex with one other woman - she knows this as as it was one time only doesn't care as she did the same several years ago - he doesn't know his wife knows and so is perfect for blackmail.

Possible but more likely to be greed rather than fear.

saying " give me the chance to give you 1.8mil or I'll shoot your mother" just seems bizarre especially if you are able to get the 'deed' done without handing over money

A good blackmailer makes the blackmailed seem to be the villain of the piece not the blackmailer.

You say that everyone knows that Pakistan players don't get paid as much as say Austrailians or the English. Is this relevant ??? I would suggest that a fiver goes considerably further in Pakistan than it does in England.

Yes of course it matters. Its not about relative status of what your money buys, its about the fact that you are not recieving the same financial rewards for doing the same thing, in the case of amir, to a better level than most people in higher paid teams.

[SaintPowelly]

The best solution would be to allow Pakistan players to play in the IPL - I understand it would cause problems in the short term, but it would be alot easier.

Some players (Razzaq and Afridi spring to mind) are ok, they can go to most countries and make some money in domestic competitions, But playing in the IPL would give them all financial security.

[sussexpob]

The best solution would be to allow Pakistan players to play in the IPL - I understand it would cause problems in the short term, but it would be alot easier.

Some players (Razzaq and Afridi spring to mind) are ok, they can go to most countries and make some money in domestic competitions, But playing in the IPL would give them all financial security.

The ultra ideal situation would be an extension of the IPL to include 1-2 Pakistani sides. I can appreciate that the political situation may not facilitate this, but I think it is a goal that is realistic in the next 5 years.

[SaintPowelly]

Sky are reporting that Mohammed Asif is considering 'seeking asylum' in the UK because he fears for his safety if he returns to Pakistan.

of course this could be nonsense that the media have made up - but if it is true, it doesn't sound like the actions of an 'innocent' man

[yuppie]

Players playing in the IPL might get more money, but why do people asume that would stop spot fixing, and fixing of matches. Are we assuming people have done this because they want more money? And if so when do we decide they have had enough money. Could they just not think well heres a great chances to make even more money?

[man_in_beige]

Players playing in the IPL might get more money, but why do people asume that would stop spot fixing, and fixing of matches. Are we assuming people have done this because they want more money? And if so when do we decide they have had enough money. Could they just not think well heres a great chances to make even more money?

I completely agree yuppie. It isn't as if no highly paid banker/lawyer/sportstar has ever committed fraud/tax evasion etc.

[D/L]

The best solution would be to allow Pakistan players to play in the IPL - I understand it would cause problems in the short term, but it would be alot easier...

Isn't there enough spot bet fixing in the IPL already?

[ddb]

The best solution would be to allow Pakistan players to play in the IPL - I understand it would cause problems in the short term, but it would be alot easier...

Isn't there enough spot bet fixing in the IPL already?