Spot Fixing?

[sussexpob]

Why they committed the crimes, if indeed there were crimes, is totally immaterial to their innocence or guilt. If found guilty, the reason can only be offered in mitigation; for example, if they were threatened, under duress or the like. I doubt that pleading wanting, or even needing, the money would carry a great deal of weight in mitigation...

I certainly wasnt suggesting that the courts will mitigate on circumstances..... but these are questions that the game needs to answer and address to eradicate the problem.

Keshto,

TY, nice article

[Mr Popodopolous]

This story has now taken a new twist.

[ddb]

Nice article!
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/james-lawton-where-was-clarkes-disdain-when-stanford-came-calling-to-buy-up-crickets-dignity-2066161.html

excuses are lovely i agree.

This, pretty much, is what a barely literate product of one of the world's poorest, and most corrupt, societies did when he accepted the influence of team-mates

Missing out the point from other news articles

Earlier this year Amir registered on a college course to become an accountant saying that he couldn't play cricket for ever and needed to be able to do other things.

[D/L]

The comparison between the relationship of Clarke and Stanford, at the time of the deal, and Amir and whoever he was in negotiations with, seem a little disingenuous.

Perhaps Clarke should have known that Stanford was not a wholly honest operator, but it seems obvious that he didn’t.

An eight year old bowler, let alone an eighteen year old one, would have immediately recognised the dishonesty in what was being proposed.

[keshto]

DDB
excuses from whom?

I think if Ameer had been in the Australian team he would have see his board to denounce this as Watson and others have done, and let's not forget he is 18 only surrounded by seniors who have given into corruption. It is PCB's fault for not protecting their young talents, as well as Asif and Butt's in my opinion, they are the principal culprits in this.

Ameer is not innocent mind you but in other circumstances, I think he might have made a better decision.

D/L
Maybe but I think the general picture he is trying to paint is interesting, maybe a bit too much of judgment was passed on Amir and not enough on others.
Maybe a little understanding would have been appropriate, and a little compassion. I am not saying the incident should be ignored mind you. But maybe that Amir is being treated a bit harshly. He is 18 and you can say all you want 18 is very young, do you remember when you were 18? I do and man have I changed.

[ddb]

DDB
excuses from whom?

I think if Ameer had been in the Australian team he would have see his board to denounce this as Watson and others have done, and let's not forget he is 18 only surrounded by seniors who have given into corruption. It is PCB's fault for not protecting their young talents, as well as Asif and Butt's in my opinion, they are the principal culprits in this.

Ameer is not innocent mind you but in other circumstances, I think he might have made a better decision.

D/L
Maybe but I think the general picture he is trying to paint is interesting, maybe a bit too much of judgment was passed on Amir and not enough on others.
Maybe a little understanding would have been appropriate, and a little compassion. I am not saying the incident should be ignored mind you. But maybe that Amir is being treated a bit harshly. He is 18 and you can say all you want 18 is very young, do you remember when you were 18? I do and man have I changed.

Judgement has been passed on Amir on not others because of the talent he possess, he is the star, if he was someone with little talent we wouldnt get as many people being sympathetic with him. I agree his age should be taken into account when punishing him if he is found guilty cos he could have been pressured but the talent he has should not cloud or influence the matter or the "fact" that he may have been earning less or may have not understood what he was doing, cos he must have known. Also at such a young age he could have waited a few years and he probably would be in the IPL...

[keshto]

OK even if he did not have any talent, it would not change the fact that he was a junior surrounded by corrupt seniors.

Of course talent attracts more people than no talent. But the facts remain similar. In the environment he was in, it would be difficult for him to say no.

Let me ask you a question ddb, do you think that in his place you would have said no? I can tell you I don't know what I would have done since I can't fanthom the climate of the Pakistan team, I've lived quite a sheltered life and it's easy for me to say no. I'd like to think I would have said no, but maybe I wouldn't have.

[ddb]

OK even if he did not have any talent, it would not change the fact that he was a junior surrounded by corrupt seniors.

Of course talent attracts more people than no talent. But the facts remain similar. In the environment he was in, it would be difficult for him to say no.

Let me ask you a question ddb, do you think that in his place you would have said no? I can tell you I don't know what I would have done since I can't fanthom the climate of the Pakistan team, I've lived quite a sheltered life and it's easy for me to say no. I'd like to think I would have said no, but maybe I wouldn't have.

Yeah I find myself agreeing with that but we cant know without being there. How long would you ban Amir for Keshto if he is found guilty then?(or relatively to Butt and Asif?)

I definitely ban Asif for life without much thought, Match fixing, spot fixing, drugs etc he's done it all, if he continues to play after that, it's embarrassing.

[keshto]

Thankfully DDB, it is not a decision I have to make. But I do hope for his sake that it is not a life ban and that he will receive some strong support from PCB and outside the PCB to show him that he has his whole life infront of him to make amends... I guess in an Ideal world!!!


Anyway I don't know if Bans mean anything to the PCB.

[ddb]

Life ban = 6 years usually Keshto

With the PCB it's 6 months

[Dimi]

Funny how Kamran has escaped so far. He seems to be like teflon....

Not sure about that! Didn't he say after the Sydney test and all those dropped catches that he was sick of all the people "hooting" at him in the street and it makes him "mentally disturbed"?

[Durhamfootman]

Well..... todays events have worried me somewhat. I was confident that the PCB and ICC would stamp down on this. It now seems that there is a lot of back-tracking going on. Now, apparently, the 3 players are totally innocent and have suffered mental torture (to which Mikey referred).

Mental torture? Now if they'd referred to mental anguish... fair enough.... but, mental torture? That suggests that the police or the media or the authorities are in some way actively trying to inflict distress on the poor chaps!

All the language coming from the PCB seems now to be bullish, rather than contrite.

I can smell a fudge and a cover up coming.

It's a pity that Daryl Hair isn't still umpiring...... they could blame everything on him.

They might do that, anyway.

I suspect that when the dust finally settles, the footman is going to be left feeling disgusted with it all.

[keshto]

I think something has to be done about the PCB, I read a very good article on cricinfo from a pakistan fan on what to change in Pakistan cricket, and the prime target has to be the PCB.

http://www.cricinfo.com/page2/content/story/475271.html

[SaintPowelly]

All this talk of seperate punishments for Amir because he is young and naive is nonsense.

He is as guilty as the rest of them and should face the same punishment - which should be that they are unable to have any involvement in cricket EVER again

[keshto]

Why is it nonsense?

Do you mean that all that I have been saying is plain nonsense?

I understand why you would want equal punishement, but do not agree with you. It cannot be equal because Asif and Butt are older and a life ban will have less effect on them as on Amir.