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Re: India the Future?

Postby dan08 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:50 pm

GG - Amir Sohail wrote:Mukund deserves a chance to play tests in India. Can't forget about him after 4 away tests in tricky conditions. Rahane at 3, Kohli at 4, Sehwag at 5, Rohit at 6.

The West Indies Tests weren't in tricky conditions.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby shankycricket » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:51 pm

GG - Amir Sohail wrote:Mukund deserves a chance to play tests in India. Can't forget about him after 4 away tests in tricky conditions. Rahane at 3, Kohli at 4, Sehwag at 5, Rohit at 6.

Sachin? :dunno
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Re: India the Future?

Postby shankycricket » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:54 pm

GG - Amir Sohail wrote:Mukund deserves a chance to play tests in India. Can't forget about him after 4 away tests in tricky conditions. Rahane at 3, Kohli at 4, Sehwag at 5, Rohit at 6.

Its not about conditions.I have seen him play and there are technical flaws.I have watched him bat and he just shouts as "Not Yet Test Class" to me.There is a big gap between his bat and pad and his head seems to fall away when he tries to hit the ball through the on side.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby GGAS » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:59 pm

shankybiggestengfan wrote:Sachin? :dunno


Instead of Rahane until after England series.

England's_No7 wrote:The West Indies Tests weren't in tricky conditions.


Only 2 batsmen averaged above 50 and one of them only played one test.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... ype=series

shankybiggestengfan wrote:Its not about conditions.I have seen him play and there are technical flaws.I have watched him bat and he just shouts as "Not Yet Test Class" to me.There is a big gap between his bat and pad and his head seems to fall away when he tries to hit the ball through the on side.


I see what you mean, his technique isn't perfect, but the amount of runs he's scored at domestic level indicates to me that he should be given a run in the test side. Sehwag's technique is hardly perfect is it? or Chanderpaul's for that matter.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby dan08 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:00 pm

This won't be the Indian team but here's a young inexperienced but very talented team.

Mukund
Rahane
Kohli
Rohit
Pujara
Manoj/Jadeja/Pandey
Karthik
Ashwin
Praveen
Yadav
Aaron
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Re: India the Future?

Postby dan08 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:01 pm

GG - Amir Sohail wrote:
England's_No7 wrote:The West Indies Tests weren't in tricky conditions.


Only 2 batsmen averaged above 50 and one of them only played one test.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... ype=series

That doesn't prove the conditions were difficult. It could just mean that the batsman were rubbish and out of form.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby GGAS » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:05 pm

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GG - Amir Sohail wrote:
England's_No7 wrote:The West Indies Tests weren't in tricky conditions.


Only 2 batsmen averaged above 50 and one of them only played one test.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... ype=series

That doesn't prove the conditions were difficult. It could just mean that the batsman were rubbish and out of form.


Fidel Edwards and Rampaul bowled some brilliant spells.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby shankycricket » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:08 pm

GG - Amir Sohail wrote:
shankybiggestengfan wrote:Its not about conditions.I have seen him play and there are technical flaws.I have watched him bat and he just shouts as "Not Yet Test Class" to me.There is a big gap between his bat and pad and his head seems to fall away when he tries to hit the ball through the on side.


I see what you mean, his technique isn't perfect, but the amount of runs he's scored at domestic level indicates to me that he should be given a run in the test side. Sehwag's technique is hardly perfect is it? or Chanderpaul's for that matter.

Maybe you are right.There is no harm in trying him I guess but I am not convinced that he has the goods.
Kohli,Pujara,Rahane and Rohit on the other hand are good enough IMO.A pity that none of them is an opener.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby GGAS » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:10 pm

shankybiggestengfan wrote:
GG - Amir Sohail wrote:
shankybiggestengfan wrote:Its not about conditions.I have seen him play and there are technical flaws.I have watched him bat and he just shouts as "Not Yet Test Class" to me.There is a big gap between his bat and pad and his head seems to fall away when he tries to hit the ball through the on side.


I see what you mean, his technique isn't perfect, but the amount of runs he's scored at domestic level indicates to me that he should be given a run in the test side. Sehwag's technique is hardly perfect is it? or Chanderpaul's for that matter.

Maybe you are right.There is no harm in trying him I guess but I am not convinced that he has the goods.
Kohli,Pujara,Rahane and Rohit on the other hand are good enough IMO.A pity that none of them is an opener.


Agree :thumb Jadeja has also been impressive in the Ranji trophy. The future isn't that bad for India, they just need some time for transition.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby andy » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:20 pm

India have a lot of strength depth in batting, however the bowling will be an issue....after zak goes, they have ishant, PK, aaron,yadav...

ishant is inconsistent,aaron is always injured, yadav is like finn.......takes wickets but leaks runs (HOWEVER THE NEW AND IMPROVED FINN IS BETTER :P)......

future bowling attack will prob be

ashwin/ojha
ishant
PK
Yadav

aaron in reserve but that bout it.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby shankycricket » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:21 pm

England's_No7 wrote:This won't be the Indian team but here's a young inexperienced but very talented team.

Mukund
Rahane
Kohli
Rohit
Pujara
Manoj/Jadeja/Pandey
Karthik
Ashwin
Praveen
Yadav
Aaron

Good shout on Pandey.
He is a decent back foot player from what I have seen.I remember him scoring a brilliant 144 against Mumbai in the Ranji Trophy finals a couple of years ago which brought him into serious consideration for the home series against SA in Feb 2010.He lost out to the likes of Badrinath eventually for that spot.And he couldnt follow it up with a good 2010/11 season.I dont know much about his recent form though.Last time I heard of him,he had scored a century against Mumbai earlier this season but I havent had the time to follow Ranji trophy since then.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby dan08 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:26 pm

shankybiggestengfan wrote:
England's_No7 wrote:This won't be the Indian team but here's a young inexperienced but very talented team.

Mukund
Rahane
Kohli
Rohit
Pujara
Manoj/Jadeja/Pandey
Karthik
Ashwin
Praveen
Yadav
Aaron

Good shout on Pandey.
He is a decent back foot player from what I have seen.I remember him scoring a brilliant 144 against Mumbai in the Ranji Trophy finals a couple of years ago which brought him into serious consideration for the home series against SA in Feb 2010.He lost out to the likes of Badrinath eventually for that spot.And he couldnt follow it up with a good 2010/11 season.I dont know much about his recent form though.Last time I heard of him,he had scored a century against Mumbai earlier this season but I havent had the time to follow Ranji trophy since then.

He is an attacking batsman and is relatively good against the short ball and could bat at 6 for India. He scored a double century in his last Ranji match and then got injured.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby greyblazer » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:27 pm

Last I saw on cricinfo, Pandey was out for rest of the season with injury. From what I have seen of him in a few games in the IPL he seems to think every ball should be smashed for a four or a six though he is better than just a slogger. A fine young talent but someone needs to say to him there is more to batting than just hitting a four or a six.

Mukund has technical flaws but I liked his fighting spirit and seems to be a hardworking cricketer. India hardly have options at top of the order so maybe they can look at him. I rate him a bit better than Vijay too.

Finally technique is about helping a bowler to take wickets and a batsman to score runs. Without giving Mukund a decent run you never know whether he will succeed or not.
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Re: India the Future?

Postby IndusCreed » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:31 pm

sussexpob wrote:
greyblazer wrote:How many did VVS get in England? If you leave out the series in England how many times has Dravid done well outside the subcontinent in the last 3 or so years? The legends of Indian cricket have to retire someday and younger players have to play. It should have been done before but if they don't do it now they will never drop these legends.


I dont disagree with this statement, I am merely pointing out that both had decent enough series last time out, and before that you asked any Indian fan and they would all stoutly defend their right to have earnt setting their own retirement dates.

Its interesting to see that the transition in opinion

Well, if the likes of VVS or Punter or Dravid are still performing once in a while at the age of 45 or 50, a case can be made to keep going with them. As far as a fan's point of view is concerned, it surely changes with the performance. If these players were younger, a call would be made to rest them for a test or two. But let's face it, nobody is getting any younger and it is time to invest in the future.

One cannot blame fans not to be impatient. Dravid had a great run in England last year. For how many more away series do we need to try the aging players? I personally think it's time. It's time we say goodbye. We can always use their immense talent in coaching!
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Re: India the Future?

Postby IndusCreed » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:35 pm

alfie wrote:The natural reaction to a heavy series defeat is to call for blood. But just getting shot of all the oldies at once doesn't strike me as a very smart move.

While I agree in essence with that statement, its hardly the case here, I am afraid. We had another heavy series defeat against English not too long ago. Besides, Most would agree that SRT and to some extent Dravid can still be of some help. But a change-in-guard process needs to start. Now!

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