NZ Test tour of Eng, June 2-27

[Arthur Crabtree]

You're spot on. The lack of overs, particularly in the context of the cost, is a shocker.

[Arthur Crabtree]

As painful listening to Cook commentate as it once was to hear him being interviewed. It makes my head hurt. It's like he's not actually using words. Reminds me of Stanley Unwin.

[Durhamfootman]

Dobell thinks that the proportion of unused overs should be reflected in a proportional refund of the ticket price paid back to the credit card the ticket was bought on

I have a little bit of sympathy given the number of wickets taken, the time out for the injury to Leach and the time taken to review all the referrals that players are allowed to make these days, which is why I think the 90 overs should be revised down a little. It is a minimum after all. In helpful conditions where spinners are bowling a lot of overs then the 3 sessions would still be 2 hours long. The trouble with revising down the over rate is that teams then take the ssip even more than they do already. I was thinking along the lines of run penalties, but the credit card automatic refund idea of Dobells is an excellent one.

Giving money back?

now that simply isn't cricket

[Arthur Crabtree]

Good idea. Best way of getting the overs bowled.

Maybe incorporate the extra 30m into the day, as it's always used. Maybe reset at 2hr15m sessions and then penalise for unbowled overs.

[bigfluffylemon]

Dobell thinks that the proportion of unused overs should be reflected in a proportional refund of the ticket price paid back to the credit card the ticket was bought on

I have a little bit of sympathy given the number of wickets taken, the time out for the injury to Leach and the time taken to review all the referrals that players are allowed to make these days, which is why I think the 90 overs should be revised down a little. It is a minimum after all. In helpful conditions where spinners are bowling a lot of overs then the 3 sessions would still be 2 hours long. The trouble with revising down the over rate is that teams then take the ssip even more than they do already. I was thinking along the lines of run penalties, but the credit card automatic refund idea of Dobells is an excellent one.

Giving money back?

now that simply isn't cricket

Teams had no problem bowling 15-17 overs an hour 100 years ago, even with mainly quicks.

The elephant in the room that no-one ever mentions is TV coverage. I am certain that the need to show ads between every over slows things down considerably. The number of times I have been at a ground wondering why it's taken so long to change ends - players seem to be ready to go, but I'm sure there's someone in the umpire's ear saying 'don't restart play yet, the 270 billionth ad for *modding* KFC is still running'.

[bigfluffylemon]

Went to bed with NZ 42-7, wake up and England have somehow contrived to be in a losing position.

I was expecting NZ to fight back and not let England have it all their own way, but still this beggars belief, even by England's very low batting standards.

[Arthur Crabtree]

A lot of wickets to cross bat shots. Maybe poor shots, maybe uneven bounce.

[alfie]

Odd sort of a day. Must be something in the pitch to account for so many generally decent bats floundering - though it appeared that conditions had become easier after lunch with the NZ tail and then Crawley prospering...and then Bang !.

Think we knew both sides are stronger with ball (at least in pace bowling) than batting ; but 17 down in a day is a bit excessive...

Not risking any prediction as to where this goes from here - except I wouldn't be risking any money on the draw

Entertaining , anyway...

[Durhamfootman]

well, England exceeded my expectations by batting for longer than half an hour this morning and by getting a lead

okay it was only about a minute longer than half an hour and it was only a 9 run lead.... but Yay!

[Durhamfootman]

now that Curran is scoring runs and has begun taking wickets again (albeit white ball wickets) I can see the possibility of a recall for the second test. He'd probably get in as a batsman atm. It isn't as if he has a lot to beat

No good coming in as a bowler who can bat as A & B are surely definite starters for this series at least after all the media attention and the other guy has just had his debut splashed all over the papers for the right reasons, so the only way in would be if the spinner was left out. If Potts splutters in the second innings or has a poor second test, then maybe an outside bet for the 3rd test

Why is there an ODI series sandwiched into this test series btw? It seems an extraordinary thing to do. Money to make, TV commitments to fill?

[Arthur Crabtree]

None of the Test players will be involved I expect. Things have been heading this way, two separate England sides to tick off fixtures.

NZ one down already. Game over today?

[Durhamfootman]

lunch tomorrow

[Durhamfootman]

interesting stat on the beeb

in the 30 years prior to 2019, England lost all 10 wickets for less than 85 runs a total of 8 times. Since 2019 they've achieved this feat 7 times already... yesterday's debacle being 82 runs. And there wasn't much cricket in one of those 3 years

[Durhamfootman]

I don't think Broad has bowled a maiden in the match yet

[Arthur Crabtree]

Wonder who will make way for Robinson. Or Wood. Broad needs some wickets.