alfie wrote:I will point out though that averages are just that : averages. They are designed to take into account a player's high and low points ; good years and bad. Once you start with the "in his last so many games " or "So and so averages abc ; but if you take out his best year (or his worst) it becomes xyz " you are talking selective stats , not averages.
sussexpob wrote:alfie wrote:I will point out though that averages are just that : averages. They are designed to take into account a player's high and low points ; good years and bad. Once you start with the "in his last so many games " or "So and so averages abc ; but if you take out his best year (or his worst) it becomes xyz " you are talking selective stats , not averages.
I am not going to deny that I will manipulate stats to best represent an argument, but in the case of Bairstow, the sample range represents the majority of his very long career. I dont think its displaying much cunning to point out there are long trends in his form that have in the large part trended downwards and have lasted long enough to indicate terminal decline.
Durhamfootman wrote:India's forfeit spares England's blushes and they don't now lose 3 test series on the trot...... everything must be okay with English cricket after all.... thank goodness for that..... business as usual..... no need to think about what's going wrong..... bring on the Aussies..... what could go wrong?
bigfluffylemon wrote:Durhamfootman wrote:India's forfeit spares England's blushes and they don't now lose 3 test series on the trot...... everything must be okay with English cricket after all.... thank goodness for that..... business as usual..... no need to think about what's going wrong..... bring on the Aussies..... what could go wrong?
I was about to post that it's bulldust that a team needs to be forced to forfeit when the reason is covid, but the BBC is now saying that the ECB has changed its announcement that the test is cancelled rather than forfeited, so the result is still not certain.
After all, England didn't forfeit the test series when they came home from South Africa.
Many players take time. Anderson and Broad did, Gooch famously so. That's fine. I think England should stick with Pope, and Crawley may be back some day, although I wouldn't pick him again until he's got a fair bit more first class cricket under his belt and lots of runs. But Moeen and Bairstow have been around since 2013, and just haven't delivered the goods often enough to justify the fact that England keep returning to them over the competition, IMO.
On Crawley, I think we agree, although perhaps from different angles. I was saying that I reckon the selectors 'think' they're pulling a Fletcher and picking him on something they like. Whatever their criteria are (I couldn't comment on the public school thing), they are quite clearly the wrong criteria, and not working.
sussexpob wrote:bigfluffylemon wrote:Durhamfootman wrote:India's forfeit spares England's blushes and they don't now lose 3 test series on the trot...... everything must be okay with English cricket after all.... thank goodness for that..... business as usual..... no need to think about what's going wrong..... bring on the Aussies..... what could go wrong?
I was about to post that it's bulldust that a team needs to be forced to forfeit when the reason is covid, but the BBC is now saying that the ECB has changed its announcement that the test is cancelled rather than forfeited, so the result is still not certain.
After all, England didn't forfeit the test series when they came home from South Africa.
Indeed. Especially when the home team, in this case England, have allowed crowds into the tests and in doing so increase the risk of infection to both teams. Although maybe you can make a case that, without any players testing positive, it might set a dangerous precedent for future series if sides can pull out tests on covid scares and win series without having to play. Not that I think India are doing that at all, but there is a danger it can be exploited.
Really, the ICC should have strong guidelines on how this is decided. If the camp has Covid and close contacts, its called off. Surprises me they dont and one team has had to pull out unilaterally.
captaincolly wrote:There's even less of an excuse to overreact now that things are returning to normal
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