Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby rich1uk » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:32 am

adi i know you have said a few times now about him declaring late in the first game and it costing us the chance of winning but there wasn't a single pundit or commentator that thought he would declare any earlier than he did.

having the benefit of hindsight and seeing 6 indian wickets fall made it look a worse decision than it was, but no captain would have declared earlier than he did in the the first test of a 5 test series

we had just batted for something like 80 overs and lost 3 wickets, 2 of which were when they started slogging to set up the declaration, it was almost unthinkable that india would collapse in 2 sessions on that pitch, and if we had declared early enough for it to make a difference in getting the wickets we would have been only something like 240 ahead with 60 overs left.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby meninblue » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:18 am

rich1uk wrote:adi i know you have said a few times now about him declaring late in the first game and it costing us the chance of winning but there wasn't a single pundit or commentator that thought he would declare any earlier than he did.

having the benefit of hindsight and seeing 6 indian wickets fall made it look a worse decision than it was, but no captain would have declared earlier than he did in the the first test of a 5 test series

we had just batted for something like 80 overs and lost 3 wickets, 2 of which were when they started slogging to set up the declaration, it was almost unthinkable that india would collapse in 2 sessions on that pitch, and if we had declared early enough for it to make a difference in getting the wickets we would have been only something like 240 ahead with 60 overs left.


It is not entirely benefit of hindsight.
I am sure i wrote a post that i was surprised to see England bat even after lunch. So i am not making these comment after seeing collapse or hindsight.

This Indian team does not has Sehwag or Warner type batsman to set tone at top in test format.

England had 3 spinners for day 5. One or two wickets and the usually patience batters would have gone into more slow scoring mode.

It seems England team has not got idea of what is good total for day 5 with 3 spinnera and with coupke of sessions left.

One can argue its easy for us as fans to decide declaration as we are not going to be criticized for it.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby rich1uk » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:44 am

but you are still refusing to consider that no-one was ever going to declare in that situation in the first test of a 5 test series, so saying he declared too late when he did the same thing almost everyone else would is being critical just for the sake of being critical

i dont rate cook as a captain

i have always thought he is too negative and too cautious and even i wont criticise that declaration
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby yuppie » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:48 am

James Anderson shows the lack of class he has.

Even if it is what he believes, just be gracious in defeat so soon after the loss.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby meninblue » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:55 am

rich1uk wrote:but you are still refusing to consider that no-one was ever going to declare in that situation in the first test of a 5 test series, so saying he declared too late when he did the same thing almost everyone else would is being critical just for the sake of being critical

i dont rate cook as a captain

i have always thought he is too negative and too cautious and even i wont criticise that declaration


Well i am not saying anyone else from commentary team wanted to declare early. Just it was me who think he should have.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:13 am

just seen the score

Oops!

unsurprising really..... posting 400 and then losing by an innings seems precisely the sort of thing that England are very good at
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:15 am

yuppie wrote:James Anderson shows the lack of class he has.

Even if it is what he believes, just be gracious in defeat so soon after the loss.

What did he do?

From what I've read Kohli put the boot in a bit in his after match interview, which is fair enough.

Not much love lost between these two teams, guess there won't be too much post match fraternisation!
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:17 am

Durhamfootman wrote:just seen the score

Oops!

unsurprising really..... posting 400 and then losing by an innings seems precisely the sort of thing that England are very good at

It's only happened twice before in Tests, not sure who was involved.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:17 am

which will just make all even sweeter for India

Anderson has always been a charmless nurk... not sure why anyone should be surprised
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby hopeforthebest » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:27 am

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
yuppie wrote:James Anderson shows the lack of class he has.

Even if it is what he believes, just be gracious in defeat so soon after the loss.

What did he do?

From what I've read Kohli put the boot in a bit in his after match interview, which is fair enough.

Not much love lost between these two teams, guess there won't be too much post match fraternisation!


Kohli was happy to make pointed statements about how England should bat so I see nothing wrong in Jimmy (in answer to a question about Kohli''s batting) remarking that the conditions in India prevent bowlers exploiting his off stump weakness the way the conditions in England do.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:32 am

England v Sri Lanka in 1998 was as good as an innings defeat.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:34 am

hopeforthebest wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
yuppie wrote:James Anderson shows the lack of class he has.

Even if it is what he believes, just be gracious in defeat so soon after the loss.

What did he do?

From what I've read Kohli put the boot in a bit in his after match interview, which is fair enough.

Not much love lost between these two teams, guess there won't be too much post match fraternisation!


Kohli was happy to make pointed statements about how England should bat so I see nothing wrong in Jimmy (in answer to a question about Kohli''s batting) remarking that the conditions in India prevent bowlers exploiting his off stump weakness the way the conditions in England do.

Is that it?

Can't see anything wrong with Anderson's comments.

Any opportunity to put him down I guess.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:47 am

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
yuppie wrote:James Anderson shows the lack of class he has.

Even if it is what he believes, just be gracious in defeat so soon after the loss.

What did he do?

From what I've read Kohli put the boot in a bit in his after match interview, which is fair enough.

Not much love lost between these two teams, guess there won't be too much post match fraternisation!

surprised you didn't know earlier, basically he called Kohli, Ashwin and Jadeja crap and home track bullies.

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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:49 am

hopeforthebest wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
yuppie wrote:James Anderson shows the lack of class he has.

Even if it is what he believes, just be gracious in defeat so soon after the loss.

What did he do?

From what I've read Kohli put the boot in a bit in his after match interview, which is fair enough.

Not much love lost between these two teams, guess there won't be too much post match fraternisation!


Kohli was happy to make pointed statements about how England should bat so I see nothing wrong in Jimmy (in answer to a question about Kohli''s batting) remarking that the conditions in India prevent bowlers exploiting his off stump weakness the way the conditions in England do.


he also called Ashwin and Jadeja ordinary.

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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:50 am

Anderson should be a bit more gracious in defeat, especially when you've just been hammered.
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