Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:05 am

hopeforthebest wrote:When the Coach preaches positivity this what can happen. The old rule of playing the right shot to the right delivery takes second place. On cricinfo an interview with Moeen quoted him as liking the fact that the coach doesn't blame him for getting out playing a positive shot.


Quote from Moeen:
"Moeen enjoys the approach of this England side. He appreciates the encouragement to attack and the lack of consequences when it backfires."

I suspect he gets away with it because they need his bowling.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:08 am

Top innnings from Jennings. Well played
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:11 am

rich1uk wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:When the Coach preaches positivity this what can happen. The old rule of playing the right shot to the right delivery takes second place. On cricinfo an interview with Moeen quoted him as liking the fact that the coach doesn't blame him for getting out playing a positive shot.


ali had faced over 100 deliveries and scored 50 runs, he had scored 3 or 4 boundaries already with the same shot

we were 230-2 and had 2 set batsmen at the crease, if that isn't the time to look to try and be positive i dont know what is

ali has got out playing shots like that his whole england career so i hardly think bayliss's comments before the game were much of a factor


I know a lot of batsmen who played to a cautious 50 and got out that way , there would be howls of derision on this thread.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:13 am

Bit of a crap shot from Bairstow there
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:15 am

Buttler watches one mega rip there..... England wont mind that, might feel Jennings has already made this score competitive
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby rich1uk » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:15 am

hopeforthebest wrote:
rich1uk wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:When the Coach preaches positivity this what can happen. The old rule of playing the right shot to the right delivery takes second place. On cricinfo an interview with Moeen quoted him as liking the fact that the coach doesn't blame him for getting out playing a positive shot.


ali had faced over 100 deliveries and scored 50 runs, he had scored 3 or 4 boundaries already with the same shot

we were 230-2 and had 2 set batsmen at the crease, if that isn't the time to look to try and be positive i dont know what is

ali has got out playing shots like that his whole england career so i hardly think bayliss's comments before the game were much of a factor


I know a lot of batsmen who played to a cautious 50 and got out that way , there would be howls of derision on this thread.


surely it would depend on the situation ?

and in the situation i have described above i dont see it being a problem

bairstow getting out to a sweep when he isn't well set, when we are under a bit more pressure and when ashwin is all over stokes at the other end, is a much worse dismissal imo
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:19 am

Stokes is having the luckiest series ever. Multiple drops, edges not carrying, missed stumpings and even bowled with a ball that didnt remove a stump....

Being outclassed here
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby rich1uk » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:20 am

sussexpob wrote:Stokes is having the luckiest series ever. Multiple drops, edges not carrying, missed stumpings and even bowled with a ball that didnt remove a stump....

Being outclassed here


ashwin has really bowled a fantastic spell since tea
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:21 am

Buttler also looks tremendously out of his depth. Someone tell him just to have a hit, might as well....
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby rich1uk » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:22 am

sussexpob wrote:Buttler also looks tremendously out of his depth. Someone tell him just to have a hit, might as well....


give him a chance, he has only faced 7 balls
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:23 am

rich1uk wrote:
sussexpob wrote:Buttler also looks tremendously out of his depth. Someone tell him just to have a hit, might as well....


give him a chance, he has only faced 7 balls


Wont face many more either.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby Gingerfinch » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:24 am

sussexpob wrote:Buttler also looks tremendously out of his depth. Someone tell him just to have a hit, might as well....


He bats at seven behind the all-rounders, so the selectors obviously don't rate him.
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby rich1uk » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:24 am

sussexpob wrote:
rich1uk wrote:
sussexpob wrote:Buttler also looks tremendously out of his depth. Someone tell him just to have a hit, might as well....


give him a chance, he has only faced 7 balls


Wont face many more either.


a reverse jinx i hope :P
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby rich1uk » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:25 am

Gingerfinch wrote:
sussexpob wrote:Buttler also looks tremendously out of his depth. Someone tell him just to have a hit, might as well....


He bats at seven behind the all-rounders, so the selectors obviously don't rate him.


they aint really placing alot of confidence in him, basically saying ballance and duckett are unselectable and we dont have anyone else
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Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:30 am

Buttler has to prove he has the technique to cope with the bowling at this level, which so far he hasnt shown in this breif innings (already a couple of edges short).... and also has to show the patience. Yet in that Yadav over you already seen in the middle that he made a pre-meditated decision to come down the pitch to the bowler, which doesnt fill me with confidence.

9 balls and he is already losing his patience... i wouldnt be playing reverse sweeps in this situation either unless I had a 100 on the board.
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