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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:15 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:Hameed isn't even the top scoring English opener in the Championship, but hype is hype I guess.


Keaton Jennings?

Is he qualified for England yet?
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:24 pm

sussexpob wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:Hameed isn't even the top scoring English opener in the Championship, but hype is hype I guess.


Keaton Jennings?

Is he qualified for England yet?


He should be, or at the very latest by the start of next season.

I was more making a point about the hype that seems to have suddenly descended on Hameed more than suggesting either are ready for selection.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Hampshire » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:56 am

Making_Splinters wrote:
sussexpob wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:Hameed isn't even the top scoring English opener in the Championship, but hype is hype I guess.


Keaton Jennings?

Is he qualified for England yet?


He should be, or at the very latest by the start of next season.

I was more making a point about the hype that seems to have suddenly descended on Hameed more than suggesting either are ready for selection.


Jennings won't qualify for England until 2019 whilst has more championship runs than any other english qualified player this season.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:17 am

Hampshire wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
sussexpob wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:Hameed isn't even the top scoring English opener in the Championship, but hype is hype I guess.


Keaton Jennings?

Is he qualified for England yet?


He should be, or at the very latest by the start of next season.

I was more making a point about the hype that seems to have suddenly descended on Hameed more than suggesting either are ready for selection.


Jennings won't qualify for England until 2019 whilst has more championship runs than any other english qualified player this season.


He qualified back in March this year according to the Northern Echo.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/cricket/durhamccc/14638204.Jennings_sets_his_sights_on_England_spot/
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Slipstream » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:46 am

Making_Splinters wrote:Hameed isn't even the top scoring English opener in the Championship, but hype is hype I guess.


As far as I can make out there are only two batsmen in Divison 1 who have 1000 runs, Jennings 1037 and Hameed 1030. It's not about the runs but the way he bats and his strike rate of 38.85. He is a crease occupier no matter what is happening at the other end. :D Jennings s/r 53.61. Anyway he has no chance of playing for England anytime soon.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:13 am

Is a SR of 38 a good thing? The only person I can think who batted that slow was Mark Richardson and Mike Atherton, and both struggled against top quality seam attacks of their day. Batting that way in tests just means you are camped out waiting for good balls and not going anywhere.

Sure, it proves you can grind out innings and are unlikely to give a wicket away, but how many test players have been successful batting that slow? Maybe Boycott
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Hampshire » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:23 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
Hampshire wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
sussexpob wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:Hameed isn't even the top scoring English opener in the Championship, but hype is hype I guess.


Keaton Jennings?

Is he qualified for England yet?


He should be, or at the very latest by the start of next season.

I was more making a point about the hype that seems to have suddenly descended on Hameed more than suggesting either are ready for selection.


Jennings won't qualify for England until 2019 whilst has more championship runs than any other english qualified player this season.


He qualified back in March this year according to the Northern Echo.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/cricket/durhamccc/14638204.Jennings_sets_his_sights_on_England_spot/


Can't be correct given he captained SA U19 back in 2011 so would at best qualify in 2018 if he moved over here immediately after that.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:37 pm

Hampshire wrote:Can't be correct given he captained SA U19 back in 2011 so would at best qualify in 2018 if he moved over here immediately after that.


Everywhere I've seen anything about him becoming England qualified states it's 4 years he has to do.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Hampshire » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:47 pm

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Hampshire wrote:Can't be correct given he captained SA U19 back in 2011 so would at best qualify in 2018 if he moved over here immediately after that.


Everywhere I've seen anything about him becoming England qualified states it's 4 years he has to do.


The ECB tightened it up to 7 years a while back now unless you start your qualification period before you turn 18 or have come from a non-test status country.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:01 pm

Hampshire wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
Hampshire wrote:Can't be correct given he captained SA U19 back in 2011 so would at best qualify in 2018 if he moved over here immediately after that.


Everywhere I've seen anything about him becoming England qualified states it's 4 years he has to do.


The ECB tightened it up to 7 years a while back now unless you start your qualification period before you turn 18 or have come from a non-test status country.


In both the old and new rules, I believe that you actually had to write to the ECB to state your intention to play for England before any period could be considered. As Jennings was at Durham before the regulations kicked in on 25th April 2012, his case might be consistent with the old rules... so 4 years.

His cricinfo profile states he has qualified too. And if March 2016 was the point he qualified, it would make sense as thats 4 years after moving to England and signing for Durham.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:11 pm

sussexpob wrote:
Hampshire wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
Hampshire wrote:Can't be correct given he captained SA U19 back in 2011 so would at best qualify in 2018 if he moved over here immediately after that.


Everywhere I've seen anything about him becoming England qualified states it's 4 years he has to do.


The ECB tightened it up to 7 years a while back now unless you start your qualification period before you turn 18 or have come from a non-test status country.


In both the old and new rules, I believe that you actually had to write to the ECB to state your intention to play for England before any period could be considered. As Jennings was at Durham before the regulations kicked in on 25th April 2012, his case might be consistent with the old rules... so 4 years.

His cricinfo profile states he has qualified too. And if March 2016 was the point he qualified, it would make sense as thats 4 years after moving to England and signing for Durham.


Jennings was playing for the Durham stiffs and in various premier leagues in the UK back in 2011. As far as I am aware, residency is 200 odd days per year, so even though he did play in South Africa that winter he could have still met the criteria for that year.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:14 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
sussexpob wrote:
Hampshire wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
Hampshire wrote:Can't be correct given he captained SA U19 back in 2011 so would at best qualify in 2018 if he moved over here immediately after that.


Everywhere I've seen anything about him becoming England qualified states it's 4 years he has to do.


The ECB tightened it up to 7 years a while back now unless you start your qualification period before you turn 18 or have come from a non-test status country.


In both the old and new rules, I believe that you actually had to write to the ECB to state your intention to play for England before any period could be considered. As Jennings was at Durham before the regulations kicked in on 25th April 2012, his case might be consistent with the old rules... so 4 years.

His cricinfo profile states he has qualified too. And if March 2016 was the point he qualified, it would make sense as thats 4 years after moving to England and signing for Durham.


Jennings was playing for the Durham stiffs and in various premier leagues in the UK back in 2011. As far as I am aware, residency is 200 odd days per year, so even though he did play in South Africa that winter he could have still met the criteria for that year.


I doubt it, because I believe that FC cricket in another country as a domestic player zero's whatever you build in the UK, and U-19 might do too.

Although with family in the North East, its likely that he was resident in the UK before 2011 and qualifies as an under 18 resident.... which is 4 years too. He was 18 playing Xi cricket somewhere, so maybe he moved before that?
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:26 pm

sussexpob wrote:I doubt it, because I believe that FC cricket in another country as a domestic player zero's whatever you build in the UK, and U-19 might do too.

Although with family in the North East, its likely that he was resident in the UK before 2011 and qualifies as an under 18 resident.... which is 4 years too. He was 18 playing Xi cricket somewhere, so maybe he moved before that?


Playing at any level above U-17s does. I was more thinking about would he have classified as being resident in the UK prior to April 2012 which is based on days per year living in the UK, because if he didn't then I don't think he would not have being able to get around the rule changes.

Any road up, it seems highly unlikely that all of the cricketing media are wrong about whether or not he can play for England.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby m@tt » Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:40 pm

Really not sure what England should do with their batting. Well, they should definitely drop Vince.

The problem is that there are a lot of players doing well in the Championship without there being clear solutions. Choice is both good and bad!

For the opening position, you could return to Robson or Lyth. In terms of new faces, there are four Div 2 options in Browne, Westley (though he’s been batting mostly at 3), Duckett and Bell-Drummond; and in Div 1 there’s Gubbins, Lees and Hameed.

In the middle-order you could look at Westley (again) or Borthwick. Or Duckett, given he is supposed to be stronger against spin. Or you promote internally, sticking Ali up the order and pick a better spinner. Or recall Buttler (or, though unlikely, Bell). Hildreth has a lot of fans too, though crucially not in the England set-up it seems.

If you like your averages, not many of the above have 40+ career averages – rather some are having a good couple of seasons following lean starts to their career.

And then the spinners! Ali will be there, Rashid will be back in the XI too. But who else? Ansari is bowling a lot of overs but is still a second spinner. Dawson also a second spinner. Batty is in his late 30s.

Might as well use a dartboard?

Thankfully the quick bowling department is straightforward. Broad, Anderson and Woakes to start, with Stokes as the all-rounder, with Finn and Wood in the squad. Ball goes if they want an extra option.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:38 pm

Some exciting pace options. But it feels like overkill taking so many, just waiting for an injury. Maybe someone will be rested for BD, if it happens.

That's potentially seven named. Though five should be enough, it's tempting to take both Finn and Wood- though Finn hasn't been consistent. Regarding Wood, I've read some people saying he was much faster in the T20 semi at the weekend, than the final, as if there may be issues over recovery from injury and match fitness. These doubts won't go away until he is available for a long period. He has the feel of an exciting pick, more-so than Finn. Unless England rest someone or there's an injury, it's hard to see Ball travelling.

Matt's spin options are all the all rounders. I'll be a bit disappointed if they pick the spin by looking at the batting averages, especially with two proper pace bowling all rounders available.
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