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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby hopeforthebest » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:00 pm

When Bopara appears in games on TV at times he seems semi-detached from what's going on around him, it's an attitude similar to that you often see from Marlon Samuels. I think he's one those people with plenty of talent but doesn't want to expend too much energy to produce it.
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Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:34 pm

Division 2 runs. I don't know how he gets those averages (probably worse than Vince in CC2?), I never see him score any runs. 26 tons in 290 fc innings and a dozy fielder.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:35 pm

Though a good ball polisher might be handy.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:41 pm

Good player of spin though.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:50 pm

Played five Test innings in SL, scoring 8, 34, 0,0,0. His only Test innings in Asia. In 19 Test innings overall, he failed against everyone but WI, and was lucky against them. Ravi's lottery ticket has expired.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:53 pm

Took a wicket in SL, giving him a bowling average of 290.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:57 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Played five Test innings in SL, scoring 8, 34, 0,0,0. His only Test innings in Asia. In 19 Test innings overall, he failed against everyone but WI, and was lucky against them. Ravi's lottery ticket has expired.


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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:03 pm

Just seen bayliss quotes in the press and he basically said that county cricket might not be trusted and the gap between county cricket and Test cricket is big.
"But while Bayliss offered an incentive to county batsman, he also suggested that the gap between domestic and international cricket had grown to such an extent that performances in the County Championship might not be an especially accurate gauge of a player's likely success at the higher level."
Not sure how Bayliss will pick the teams considering Lions stuff are being reduced now for England only really England performance squad will stay and their mostly do nets work in loughbourough and abroad.
not sure how anyone could get picked on that.

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:12 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:If England can't find a suitable 2nd spinner for the winter tours, do they go for a bowler who can bowl dots for fun and use his cutters to full effect?

Someone like Steven Patterson?


Won't A&B do that, in the middle overs?


Patterson is capable of bowling 10 overs on the spin. That's not to say Broad and Anderson aren't, but it saves them two from being flogged when England's spinners have struggled to hold an end in recent times.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:14 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:Just seen bayliss quotes in the press and he basically said that county cricket might not be trusted and the gap between county cricket and Test cricket is big.
"But while Bayliss offered an incentive to county batsman, he also suggested that the gap between domestic and international cricket had grown to such an extent that performances in the County Championship might not be an especially accurate gauge of a player's likely success at the higher level."
Not sure how Bayliss will pick the teams considering Lions stuff are being reduced now for England only really England performance squad will stay and their mostly do nets work in loughbourough and abroad.
not sure how anyone could get picked on that.


And when James Vince was viewed as exceptional in the performance squad and subsequently failed to score more than 17 in 5 games against Pakistan A, its worked wonders.

Jake Ball with his econ rate of 8 was also the worst bowler.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:23 pm

sussexpob wrote:Averages plus 40 in the last 3 county years, and his last 50 wickets have come at 22 each.... just saying.


Not the worst shout in the world, only issue is whether those wickets have been yielded in seamer friendly conditions (Chelmsford was a green top last year) or on drier surfaces.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:34 pm

sussexpob wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Played five Test innings in SL, scoring 8, 34, 0,0,0. His only Test innings in Asia. In 19 Test innings overall, he failed against everyone but WI, and was lucky against them. Ravi's lottery ticket has expired.


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Au contraire, I think he should be allowed as much time as possible to chase his fried chicken dreams.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby hopeforthebest » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:48 pm

How long can Bayliss use the excuse that he hasn't had time to watch players in the CC whilst spending the period the CC starts in April on holiday in OZ. He can't claim the last ashes as a win because he only turned up a few weeks before they started, so Farbrace deserves all the credit. He has a cheek to judge the standard of the CC when he admits he's hardly watched much of it. As a coach who's made his reputation in T20 cricket, what doe he know about what makes a test cricketer, he's never been one himself.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:53 pm

It does feel a nonsensical thought. What is the next best test of a player's ability than the next best level of cricket available.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:59 pm

If he's saying that who scores runs in CC1 isn't the best guide to who will score them in India, he might have a point. But that's why Lions tours were useful. And CC1 will at least give you a guide to temperament.
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