4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:08 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:Ballance another cricketer that playing for his spot.


Ballance is always going to risk losing his wicket early. Before he finds his touch and starts to get his feet moving a bit more, he is a lame duck with that technique. Most bowlers who are decent and have a little help with conditions should fancy producing at least one chance before he gets to 15.
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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:10 pm

sussexpob wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:Ballance another cricketer that playing for his spot.


Ballance is always going to risk losing his wicket early. Before he finds his touch and starts to get his feet moving a bit more, he is a lame duck with that technique. Most bowlers who are decent and have a little help with conditions should fancy producing at least one chance before he gets to 15.


yep which means his spot will mostly be questioned since he will probably always fail when england are losing.

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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:16 pm

If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.
Work expands to fill the time available, so why do today what can be put off until tomorrow.


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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:19 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.

Lol that be jokes the worse player of spin getting chosen to play in India.

Can't believe people still think in england that morgan/Bell are good players of spin.

Not sure how you can be good players of spin if you can't pick the ball.

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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:21 pm

Amir getting annoyed now.
surprise it took long considering how many drop catches he had this summer.

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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:24 pm

Strauss shouldn't complain about days like this, he wanted to see T20 positivity in test cricket and he's got it.
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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:25 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.

Lol that be jokes the worse player of spin getting chosen to play in India.

Can't believe people still think in england that morgan/Bell are good players of spin.

Not sure how you can be good players of spin if you can't pick the ball.


Bell is a confidence player. I have seen him play spin majestically, I have seen him play it bad. Nothing to do with the techique.

At his very best form he picks the length of spinners incredibly well. Pitch it too short and he rocks back onto his back foot and smashes you about.

Off form he becomes far too tentitive about where his bat goes. Which means he can be weak to the spinning ball, esepcially for catches around the bat as he feathers edges onto pads and such.

Id take an in form Ian Bell in any conditions for this team anyday of the week.
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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:28 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.

Lol that be jokes the worse player of spin getting chosen to play in India.

Can't believe people still think in england that morgan/Bell are good players of spin.

Not sure how you can be good players of spin if you can't pick the ball.


In Bell's last test in India my child, he scored an unbeaten century.
Work expands to fill the time available, so why do today what can be put off until tomorrow.


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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:30 pm

sussexpob wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.

Lol that be jokes the worse player of spin getting chosen to play in India.

Can't believe people still think in england that morgan/Bell are good players of spin.

Not sure how you can be good players of spin if you can't pick the ball.


Bell is a confidence player. I have seen him play spin majestically, I have seen him play it bad. Nothing to do with the techique.

At his very best form he picks the length of spinners incredibly well. Pitch it too short and he rocks back onto his back foot and smashes you about.

Off form he becomes far too tentitive about where his bat goes. Which means he can be weak to the spinning ball, esepcially for catches around the bat as he feathers edges onto pads and such.

Id take an in form Ian Bell in any conditions for this team anyday of the week.


good point but do feel in spinning conditions he panics a bit and struggles to pick the spin.
although plays spin very well outside asia against spin.

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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:31 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.

Lol that be jokes the worse player of spin getting chosen to play in India.

Can't believe people still think in england that morgan/Bell are good players of spin.

Not sure how you can be good players of spin if you can't pick the ball.


In Bell's last test in India my child, he scored an unbeaten century.


in a pretty dead pitch, still averages 27 in india far lower if you exclude that century.

Ian Bell is an awful player can only score runs in England, literally is Steve Smith.
Crap away from home.

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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:33 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.

Lol that be jokes the worse player of spin getting chosen to play in India.

Can't believe people still think in england that morgan/Bell are good players of spin.

Not sure how you can be good players of spin if you can't pick the ball.


In Bell's last test in India my child, he scored an unbeaten century.


Had a blinding test in Galle vs Murali in 2007 too.
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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:34 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.

Lol that be jokes the worse player of spin getting chosen to play in India.

Can't believe people still think in england that morgan/Bell are good players of spin.

Not sure how you can be good players of spin if you can't pick the ball.


In Bell's last test in India my child, he scored an unbeaten century.


in a pretty dead pitch, still averages 27 in india far lower if you exclude that century.

Ian Bell is an awful player can only score runs in England, literally is Steve Smith.
Crap away from home.


Still better than Ponting..... who scored 5 x 50 and a 100 in his last 7 tests there. Some people need time to adapt to playing in Inda
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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:36 pm

Still averages 36 in Asia.
no denying he is a good player but he underachieved massively for england and would probably fail for England in India.
far better picking a younger person that could actually improve and learn from the india tour experience.

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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:36 pm

bhaveshgor wrote: good point but do feel in spinning conditions he panics a bit and struggles to pick the spin.
although plays spin very well outside asia against spin.


Bell is his own worst enemy. So maybe he would take one look at Ashwin at the other end on a turning deck and talk himself out of the crease.
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Re: 4th Test England v Pakistan, The Oval, Aug 11-15

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:38 pm

sussexpob wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:If Ian Bell can start scoring centuries he could be on the boat to India.

Lol that be jokes the worse player of spin getting chosen to play in India.

Can't believe people still think in england that morgan/Bell are good players of spin.

Not sure how you can be good players of spin if you can't pick the ball.


In Bell's last test in India my child, he scored an unbeaten century.


in a pretty dead pitch, still averages 27 in india far lower if you exclude that century.

Ian Bell is an awful player can only score runs in England, literally is Steve Smith.
Crap away from home.



Still better than Ponting..... who scored 5 x 50 and a 100 in his last 7 tests there. Some people need time to adapt to playing in Inda

surely it is better to give an younger player the experiance than relying on a 34 yrs old that struggled internationally for the past 2-3 yrs and only actually played well for 2 yrs in Test.

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