Spot Fixing?

[Aidan11]

Cairns to be charged with perjury

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/s ... ry-charges

[Arthur Crabtree]

Shah and Binny accidentally named in an Indian court as having been named in spot fixing allegations but not proven. A bit awkward.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Ramiz Raja reflects my own thoughts about the clamour to get Amir back into international cricket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/co ... 00583.html

[hopeforthebest]

Ramiz Raja reflects my own thoughts about the clamour to get Amir back into international cricket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/co ... 00583.html

Excellent article from Raja but I've been listening to his commentary on the Pakistan games and he doesn't view chucking in the same way. He believes slow bowlers should have more freedom to bend their arm in order to improve the balance between bat and ball. To my mind chucking has been more damaging than spot fixing. Spot fixing can take place without the result of the game being affected whereas chucking has too often affected the result of games. Would Worcestershire have gained promotion without Ajmal chucking away for them and would England have lost 3-0 in the UAE (costing them their No. 1 ranking) if chucking had not been involved. Spot fixing is a miserable practice and deserves serious punishment but chucking cannot be condoned or allowed.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Dunno. The game can't survive fixing, but it could easily survive chucking. But I do see these as the two biggest problems in the sport.

[hopeforthebest]

Dunno. The game can't survive fixing, but it could easily survive chucking. But I do see these as the two biggest problems in the sport.

Not talking about match fixing AC which is something else. Your idea that the game could survive chucking frightens me no end.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Well, it has done so far.

[hopeforthebest]

Well, it has done so far.

How many games has the result been affected by chucking AC. Ajmal alone must have tilted a multitude of games in favour of his team, the MCC v Rest of the World game at Lords this year was made so unequal by his presence. Prize money and players career's have been affected. Morgan's test career came to an end in UAE. Your laissez-faire attitude to chucking is astounding.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I'm not laissez faire about chucking. I've bored on about it for a decade. I've posted Murali's name next to an asterisk. I've composed world XIs without the biggest wicket takers of the times. I ignore the performances of chuckers in my reviews. I said cricket can survive chucking because it has. And people want it back.

[hopeforthebest]

I'm not laissez faire about chucking. I've bored on about it for a decade. I've posted Murali's name next to an asterisk. I've composed world XIs without the biggest wicket takers of the times. I ignore the performances of chuckers in my reviews. I said cricket can survive chucking because it has. And people want it back.

Of course games take place and when neither team has a chucker but the moment chucking is involved, breaking one of the fundamental rules of the game, then it's no longer cricket. Considering how many teams have had a chucker playing, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, New Zealand, West Indies, Bangladesh, South Africa and Zimbabwe, an awful number of games have been infected over the last decade or so.

[KipperJohn]

Well you'll never resolve it on a message board. If cricket supporters in their droves wrote to the ICC, or raised petitions about these serious issues then something might get done.

Sadly we mainly suffer in silence or argue about it all over the internet - I'm as guilty as anyone for that.

There are several sports where the supporters are constantly ripped off, yet come the next big game and we'll be out there opening our wallets in one way or another. Even the commentators and ex-players seem unable, or unwilling, to exert any real influence.

They debate cricket issues on Sky and TMS ad nauseum, but with no end product.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Well, I wouldn't go to a game that featured a spot/match fixer. If enough people felt the same, then that might have an impact.

If people didn't talk about stuff over which they have no influence, it would be very quiet world.

[Making_Splinters]

While spot fixing and match fixing are completely different things, they both undermine the credibility of the game. Once you stop believing that players are trying their hardest to win matches then there is no such sport as cricket.

Chucking has undoubtably had a far larger impact on the game than spot or match fixing, but it doesn't effect the game in the same fundamental way that fixing does.

[hopeforthebest]

While spot fixing and match fixing are completely different things, they both undermine the credibility of the game. Once you stop believing that players are trying their hardest to win matches then there is no such sport as cricket.

Chucking has undoubtably had a far larger impact on the game than spot or match fixing, but it doesn't effect the game in the same fundamental way that fixing does.

I can't understand how one can make money from spot fixing at cricket, what bookmaker in his right mind would accept a bet that the 3 third delivery in the 4th over will be a wide or a no ball. Match fixing is something that big money can be made from, as a straight forward bet that a team will win is not abnormal.

[Making_Splinters]

While spot fixing and match fixing are completely different things, they both undermine the credibility of the game. Once you stop believing that players are trying their hardest to win matches then there is no such sport as cricket.

Chucking has undoubtably had a far larger impact on the game than spot or match fixing, but it doesn't effect the game in the same fundamental way that fixing does.

I can't understand how one can make money from spot fixing at cricket, what bookmaker in his right mind would accept a bet that the 3 third delivery in the 4th over will be a wide or a no ball. Match fixing is something that big money can be made from, as a straight forward bet that a team will win is not abnormal.

Three reasons why spot fixing is a far more popular system than match fixing: 1) It is very difficult and risky to get the majority of the team in on the fix. 2) It's pretty difficult to hide a team trying deliberately to lose. 3) Even if a team is trying to lose, they still might win the game.

Spot fixing on the other hand gets round all three issues, "There will be a no ball in the next five overs". You only need one player on board to do that, it's easy to hide, nothing can stop it happening.