Making_Splinters wrote:Moores is a coach who needs a good side, take a look at his complete inability to turn around one of the worst Lancashire seasons in many a year for example.
His selections for us have been very poor over the years.
Athertonian wrote:Making_Splinters wrote:Moores is a coach who needs a good side, take a look at his complete inability to turn around one of the worst Lancashire seasons in many a year for example.
His selections for us have been very poor over the years.
On the other hand Moores took Lancashire to their first outright County Championship for 77 years.... And after 7 decades you can hardly say that was due simply to having a good side.
Making_Splinters wrote:Athertonian wrote:Making_Splinters wrote:Moores is a coach who needs a good side, take a look at his complete inability to turn around one of the worst Lancashire seasons in many a year for example.
His selections for us have been very poor over the years.
On the other hand Moores took Lancashire to their first outright County Championship for 77 years.... And after 7 decades you can hardly say that was due simply to having a good side.
Scrapped by the skin of our teeth and in large part due to a simmer and pitches that suited out bowling. If you look back at 2011, it's a bit of a miricle we won.
Making_Splinters wrote:Athertonian wrote:Making_Splinters wrote:Moores is a coach who needs a good side, take a look at his complete inability to turn around one of the worst Lancashire seasons in many a year for example.
His selections for us have been very poor over the years.
On the other hand Moores took Lancashire to their first outright County Championship for 77 years.... And after 7 decades you can hardly say that was due simply to having a good side.
Scrapped by the skin of our teeth and in large part due to a simmer and pitches that suited out bowling. If you look back at 2011, it's a bit of a miricle we won.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
m@tt wrote:Moores made mistakes as England coach, as pointed out in this well thought out article. The popular opinion is that his methods and attitude towards the players was a bit too 'County', as in he didn't adapt to the fact he was working with mature international players who, by virtue of being in the squad, knew how to work hard and were fit and talented too. The post match fitness session against NZ being one example - one that embarrassed both him and the team.
I'm sure that he is not oblivious to his failings. I hope that, if given the chance, he can show that he has moved on and improved and adapted.
He is probably my preferred choice right now. But the choices are underwhelming.
Athertonian wrote:He quotes a description of Moores by Alex Loudon - "I don't know what it is, but Pete can walk into a dressing room, sprinkle a little magic dust and everything will be all right". And boy, could England do with some magic dust this summer.
Well, Loudon has clearly been eating too much strong cheese before bed because he's been having some very strange dreams that do not reflect reality. The Moores' "Pixie dust" did nothing to stop Lancashire plummeting out of the first division following abject performance after abject performace. It did nothing to make his selections make any sense.
sussexpob wrote:Well, Loudon has clearly been eating too much strong cheese before bed because he's been having some very strange dreams that do not reflect reality. The Moores' "Pixie dust" did nothing to stop Lancashire plummeting out of the first division following abject performance after abject performace. It did nothing to make his selections make any sense.
Lancashire fans are a bloody ungrateful bunch!! Core blimey splints, he won you the league and that is all you can say? Peter Moores has made mistakes, but I cant use those mistakes to take his achievement away from him!!
The pixie dust comment is true of Sussex. We lost 7 of our first team to other counties in 1998, finished bottom, and he managed to solidify a lot of pretty average cricketers around a strong nucleus of players and created something that lasted nearly a decade until we got relegated. He had a habit of spotting a really good player and was able to get some very solid guys that had been overlooked at other places into the side.
The biggest thing was, given time, he revamped the nature of the whole county without ever making the team isolated from the fans. He was harsh and uncompromising to the players, but he also won huge respect, and there was a feeling around the county at that time that we believed in him, and that believe filtered through all elements of the county.... its hard to explain really, the atmosphere at Hove was something pretty special, even before we won anything.
Of course there is some sour notes from it. The England reign, and the way he built something and left straight away when he found something better with the ECB!!! Put he has a proven county record of winning at more than one county, and a lasting legacy at Sussex for years after he left!!
That is the main winner for me!! Lasting legacy!! He didn't leave us rotten to the core, he left us strong enough to compete at the very top, and with players coming through the ranks with promise.
In fact, what happened after really makes his legacy at Sussex strong. The youth guys under other people haven't developed as hoped, and have proved just how difficult even in county cricket it is to maintain quality when you are a team like us, but under him he pretty much did everything well.
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