England end KP's international career.

[sussexpob]

Dominic Cork ( who was Hants captain at the time ) was on SkySportsNews yesterday saying he fully understands why he has been dropped because he is destructive off the pitch.

KP played once for Hampshire when Cork was there, in the aforementioned T20 game vs Surrey. He never went to Hampshire between 2008 and 2010, so Cork probably never ever seen him around.

He also said that the, as yet unproven and slowly emerging misreported "argument" with Cook at Sydney was the reason he was destructive off the pitch, he never mentioned KP's behaviour at Hampshire.

[KipperJohn]

Just about everything I've read on this site and the papers about KP is heresay - very little, if any, evidence has been brought to justify him being singled out by the ECB. He is our best T20 batsman by a mile, notwithstanding Hales position in the rankings.

There were many issues on this ill fated tour that needed addressing - yet without a reasonable time for a sound, sensible review they acted prematurely, and without the appointment of a new coach.

I couldn't give a stuff about Piers Morgan or any other clown with a big mouth. What I do care about is how English cricket conducts itself and at the present time it's appalling.

No doubt KP's severance deal has a confidentiality clause, which of course applies to both sides. The media will never get an answer so it's pointless to keep asking.

[D/L]

Just about everything I've read on this site and the papers about KP is heresay - very little, if any, evidence has been brought to justify him being singled out by the ECB. He is our best T20 batsman by a mile, notwithstanding Hales position in the rankings.

There were many issues on this ill fated tour that needed addressing - yet without a reasonable time for a sound, sensible review they acted prematurely, and without the appointment of a new coach...

Probably one thing that can be safely said about Pietersen’s sacking is that it was not premature. It should have happened after he admitted sending those texts to members of the South African team. That was not “hearsay”.

There is plenty of evidence to support the ECB’s action, belated though it was.

[Durhamfootman]

Sneers Morgan has laid into Cook & Prior so far.

I wonder who is next on his radar.

With any luck, something may arise from this to stop his gallop...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/cnn-increasingly-twitchy-over-piers-morgans-tabloid-past-as-phone-hacking-scandal-spreads-to-daily-mirror-8223424.html

Hope so. I can't stand the odious little toad.

I've wondered for a little while if and when he would be implicated in some way by further investigations into phone hacking. He may not be implicated at all, of course

[Durhamfootman]

It would tickle me if England tried to sign a coach not called Giles, and that coach said he would only agree if Pietersen was in the team.

It seems ludicrous to end someone's career when there isn't even a head coach in place.... which suggests to me that anyone applying for the vacant team director position who isn't called Giles, will be wasting his time

[Alviro Patterson]

It would tickle me if England tried to sign a coach not called Giles, and that coach said he would only agree if Pietersen was in the team.

It seems ludicrous to end someone's career when there isn't even a head coach in place.... which suggests to me that anyone applying for the vacant team director position who isn't called Giles, will be wasting his time

I have a feeling the ECB have lined up their next coach and it's not Ashley Giles, the Manchester Evening News are in the same trail thought as myself.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ld-6672686

[Durhamfootman]

It would tickle me if England tried to sign a coach not called Giles, and that coach said he would only agree if Pietersen was in the team.

It seems ludicrous to end someone's career when there isn't even a head coach in place.... which suggests to me that anyone applying for the vacant team director position who isn't called Giles, will be wasting his time

I have a feeling the ECB have lined up their next coach and it's not Ashley Giles, the Manchester Evening News are in the same trail thought as myself.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ld-6672686

well that's encouraging.......

He doesn't even know who his best Lanky line up is, never mind his best England one. He seems to have driven some of his Lanky faithful mad, with his selections

[sussexpob]

He doesn't even know who his best Lanky line up is, never mind his best England one. He seems to have driven some of his Lanky faithful mad, with his selections

Will go hand in hand with the ECB like a pig with shi* then

[KipperJohn]

Just about everything I've read on this site and the papers about KP is heresay - very little, if any, evidence has been brought to justify him being singled out by the ECB. He is our best T20 batsman by a mile, notwithstanding Hales position in the rankings.

There were many issues on this ill fated tour that needed addressing - yet without a reasonable time for a sound, sensible review they acted prematurely, and without the appointment of a new coach...

Probably one thing that can be safely said about Pietersen’s sacking is that it was not premature. It should have happened after he admitted sending those texts to members of the South African team. That was not “hearsay”.

There is plenty of evidence to support the ECB’s action, belated though it was.

So what your saying effectively D/L is that he should have been sacked before at the time of the text saga; they got it wrong so are sacking him now. What evidence do you have in your possession that KP was 'corrosive' this time around as your put it? None, because the rest of us haven't.

I'll repeat there were many important issues arising from the tour which required calm, thoughtful review over time - and with a new coach in place - not a knee jerk cobbled together series of meetings regarding one player. I have no torch for KP but I at least expected them to conduct a proper review, appoint a new coach then take it from there. There has been no indication that this was a disciplinary hearing either.

Your dislike of KP is as biased as your support for Bresnan at every turn.

[Alviro Patterson]

It would tickle me if England tried to sign a coach not called Giles, and that coach said he would only agree if Pietersen was in the team.

It seems ludicrous to end someone's career when there isn't even a head coach in place.... which suggests to me that anyone applying for the vacant team director position who isn't called Giles, will be wasting his time

I have a feeling the ECB have lined up their next coach and it's not Ashley Giles, the Manchester Evening News are in the same trail thought as myself.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ld-6672686

well that's encouraging.......

He doesn't even know who his best Lanky line up is, never mind his best England one. He seems to have driven some of his Lanky faithful mad, with his selections

Bookies had him at odds of 30s to 50s on Tuesday, now it's slashed to 3s.

I was going to place a cheeky couple of quid with StanJames at 50/1, but their webpage for depositing cash did not look secure.

[D/L]

Just about everything I've read on this site and the papers about KP is heresay - very little, if any, evidence has been brought to justify him being singled out by the ECB. He is our best T20 batsman by a mile, notwithstanding Hales position in the rankings.

There were many issues on this ill fated tour that needed addressing - yet without a reasonable time for a sound, sensible review they acted prematurely, and without the appointment of a new coach...

Probably one thing that can be safely said about Pietersen’s sacking is that it was not premature. It should have happened after he admitted sending those texts to members of the South African team. That was not “hearsay”.

There is plenty of evidence to support the ECB’s action, belated though it was.

So what your saying effectively D/L is that he should have been sacked before at the time of the text saga; they got it wrong so are sacking him now. What evidence do you have in your possession that KP was 'corrosive' this time around as your put it? None, because the rest of us haven't.

I'll repeat there were many important issues arising from the tour which required calm, thoughtful review over time - and with a new coach in place - not a knee jerk cobbled together series of meetings regarding one player. I have no torch for KP but I at least expected them to conduct a proper review, appoint a new coach then take it from there. There has been no indication that this was a disciplinary hearing either.

Your dislike of KP is as biased as your support for Bresnan at every turn.

We can only base our opinions on what we see and hear, KJ. You have no evidence that Pietersen’s presence was not corrosive, though the less than whole-hearted support he has had from his team mates or any of the management would suggest that it may well have been and we know it definitely was during South Africa’s tour.

Your comment about bias relating to Pietersen and Bresnan is just childish, I’m afraid. If I thought Bresnan not worth a place in the team, I’d say so. I think it’s fair to say that many of those who didn’t may now have changed their minds a little.

[Making_Splinters]

I've never bought into this whole dressing room ethos line, the ethos should be pretty damn simple: Make runs, take wickets, take catches and win games.

It seems to be continually forgotten that these players are proffesional sportsmen, at the very top rung of the ladder. Crying like kids in the school yard because someone said something nasty is ridiculous.

Border was an agressive captain who took no nonsense from anyone and wasn't afraid of hurting people's feelings, did alright though.

[#Brown]

I think there is some credibility to the 'positive team ethos' mentality. With so much of cricket between the ears, positivity and confidence go a long way, although of course there's a degree of self fulfilling prophecy/+ive feedback cycle in that.

With regard to KP, my own suspicion (based on very little) is that the situation may be far more financial/managerial than is currently speculated. Is it not feasible that with the news of the non-retention by his former IPL team, certain individuals could have pressurised him and/or the ECB as to extend his period of availability, or future commitments? And that 'negotiation' is completely non-negotiable. It would undoubtedly increase his potential auction value, and further line a few pockets. It's also something that has certainly been a point of contention in the past...he could have been warned that this is not to be tried again because of the precedent it sets...and then someone did? Strong financial debate, resulting in them saying enough is enough. Wild speculation of course, but its probably the thing that makes most sense in my mind at the moment.

I just find all the criticism received by the ECB interesting when they could be in a very difficult position. It's like everyone keeps saying what a good player he is, expecting them to say 'oh crikey, you're right look at all those performance and runs! Boy we nearly made a blunder there'. Of course they know what an asset he is when playing, and playing well. Can't stand the outrage coming from ignorant and vociferous idiots like Morgan acting, like the ECB have done it on a whim.

So sad. Used to love watching him play, and whilst my opinion certainly soured with textgate, I, and more importantly England will miss him dearly.

[KipperJohn]

Just about everything I've read on this site and the papers about KP is heresay - very little, if any, evidence has been brought to justify him being singled out by the ECB. He is our best T20 batsman by a mile, notwithstanding Hales position in the rankings.

There were many issues on this ill fated tour that needed addressing - yet without a reasonable time for a sound, sensible review they acted prematurely, and without the appointment of a new coach...

Probably one thing that can be safely said about Pietersen’s sacking is that it was not premature. It should have happened after he admitted sending those texts to members of the South African team. That was not “hearsay”.

There is plenty of evidence to support the ECB’s action, belated though it was.

So what your saying effectively D/L is that he should have been sacked before at the time of the text saga; they got it wrong so are sacking him now. What evidence do you have in your possession that KP was 'corrosive' this time around as your put it? None, because the rest of us haven't.

I'll repeat there were many important issues arising from the tour which required calm, thoughtful review over time - and with a new coach in place - not a knee jerk cobbled together series of meetings regarding one player. I have no torch for KP but I at least expected them to conduct a proper review, appoint a new coach then take it from there. There has been no indication that this was a disciplinary hearing either.

Your dislike of KP is as biased as your support for Bresnan at every turn.

We can only base our opinions on what we see and hear, KJ. You have no evidence that Pietersen’s presence was not corrosive, though the less than whole-hearted support he has had from his team mates or any of the management would suggest that it may well have been and we know it definitely was during South Africa’s tour.

Your comment about bias relating to Pietersen and Bresnan is just childish, I’m afraid. If I thought Bresnan not worth a place in the team, I’d say so. I think it’s fair to say that many of those who didn’t may now have changed their minds a little.

So that means there was no evidence either way does it not? As for SA that is history and he underwent a re-integration process. You obviously disagreed with that decision and are relying on past events to justify a possibility of further discretions, which as we know have not been substantiated publicly. I repeat again there is no mention either of this being a disciplinary hearing - just a meeting to tell him he's been dropped and doesn't figure in any future plans and his contract terminated. Those are the bare facts.

As for my other comment which you describe as childish - where you get that from I don't know - some sort of defence mechanism perhaps? It was merely on observation of bias on your part based on careful observation of your many posts - which far outweigh mine in numbers.

[Arthur Crabtree]

There's a programme about his best innings on SS2 now. Quite a long one, naturally.