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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:29 pm

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It's a nonsense. Losing hot spot is neither here nor there....... it is just muddying the waters to disguise the real problem with the system, which is the players themselves.


The umpires use all the systems together to make a decision, so to me it does matter there's no hot spot,
as they will never get DRS to work if they are changing the way the separate elements work together. And hot spot is useful, as it gives you a definite positive (though not a definite negative) which snicko doesn't do. But I agree that the players are part of the problem. As well as commentators, who could explain the misunderstandings to the public, if they only understood it themselves. How much harm to the system do Botham and Holding do, who are basically describing the system they want (which changes by the hour), as well as trashing the reputation and confidence of the umpire.

of course I agree with that. but the point I am making is that everyone will focus on hot spot, or rather it's absence, and ignore completely the effect on the game of Cook referring a decision because he hopes it will get Clarke out, or Clarke referring because he hopes it will get Bell out, rather than because they are certain the decision was wrong. How many times have we heard commentators saying that Bell (or whoever) might as well refer an lbw decision because there is only the tail to come. What kind of nonsense is that? Then they'll criticise CA for not having hotspot to see if he got a feather of an inside edge, when the batsman clearly didn't or he would have referred without having to spend 3 minutes consulting with his partner to see if it is worth risking a review.

That's where the main problem lies with DRS. Add in the definitive nature of the graphics used by hawkeye, to illustrate a 'best guess' scenario, and it isn't surprising that the system is continually being discredited.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:41 pm

Aren't they hoping to have an improved version of snicko available that the the third umpire can use for the ashes? If so hotspot wont be greatly missed.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby KipperJohn » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:03 pm

I'd like someone to tell me who is actually running international cricket and making the key decisions about the game, the laws and so on.

It should be the ICC but it isn't.

The game is crying out for proper governance - that is where the real failure lies. All the time other factions, particularly the media and other boards, can hold everyone to ransom it's not going to get better.

DRS and hotspot are just symptoms of a wider and bigger problem.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:08 pm

Not going to happen. The BCCI can run international cricket without the ICC. Why should they give that up?

This is a reply to your reply.


No one is going to vote against India (apart from maybe England, almost certainly not them either) and India controls the ICC and its members. They want the ICC to be toothless. There's nowhere to go from there. They want the power to do what they are doing to SA. Look at how America treats developing countries. It's not really much different. Why should India be generous, or altruistic?

Plenty of people do talk about this. Read some Gideon Haigh on cricinfo, for instance.

I've just twigged that in the two hours you have to wait when you go from future time to the present, when you switch, you can update your last post. Although I suppose no one gets alerted to the update.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby KipperJohn » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:20 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Not going to happen. The BCCI can run international cricket without the ICC. Why should they give that up?


Then my point is correct - the discussions about various issues in international cricket are merely a sub-text of the main problem.

The ICC should periodically review it's governance like any worthwhile organisation should.

I wish a few of our -ex-player commentators would get off their backsides and get involved - instead of taking the easy money and sit there airing views which carry no weight in any decision making process.

What is the point of discussing things like hotspot when decisions about the international game come from a fundamentally flawed arrangement!
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby meninblue » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:48 pm

KipperJohn wrote:I'd like someone to tell me who is actually running international cricket and making the key decisions about the game, the laws and so on.

It should be the ICC but it isn't.

The game is crying out for proper governance - that is where the real failure lies. All the time other factions, particularly the media and other boards, can hold everyone to ransom it's not going to get better.

DRS and hotspot are just symptoms of a wider and bigger problem.



We clubmates discussed on that few times, if you are referring to BCCI's major say in DRS. All agreed that BCCI is not playing the fair game. There was no doubt about that in minds of any of the clubmates. However, the consensus was also that England and Australia played the political card when they had power in cricket and Asian countries suffered in some way. I don't want to get too much into details though. Now it's BCCI's turn. Thats what the general opinion in club about the cricketing power across various phases.

Anyways, I am supporting Sharad Pawar and Prof. Ratnakar Shetty group tomorrow as my coach and clubmate are standing for MCA election committee members under the guidance of Pawar and Prof. Shetty, to be held at Wankhede. :hide
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:41 pm

Seems like I'm the only poster to buy the Ashes dvd. Here we go, Trent Bridge.

Very basic package, no extras. Two discs. Only £15 though.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:44 pm

The quality of the picture is giving it a bit of a retro-seventies feel.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby pompeymeowth » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:00 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Seems like I'm the only poster to buy the Ashes dvd. Here we go, Trent Bridge.

Very basic package, no extras. Two discs. Only £15 though.


Are you reviewing your decision, after buying it?
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:13 pm

I guess so. I always buy them, so what I get is an afterthought.

What I'm getting is about 30 minutes a day, standard def, no extras, no music, no frills. And I get Boycott...

The 2011-12 set had some good stuff on it.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:04 pm

The Pakistan government has disbanded the PCB! Amazing. If this happened in football, they'd be kicked out of FIFA. Although being kicked out of an organisation as corrupt as FIFA as a punishment seems quite ironic.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby GarlicJam » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:09 pm

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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:16 pm

Maybe Cameron can get rid of Collier and Morgan?
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:41 pm

Paul Downton takes over from Hugh Morris. A player from my era, but not heard his name for a while.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (International Cricket)

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:59 pm

A dogged batsman. Can't remember what his keping was like?
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