Sachin Tendulkar

[Making_Splinters]

Adi - we're currently in 2013.

How can a series from 2009 / 2010 be in the last two years?

It's not stat's doing tricks, you're including series which are not in the last two years.

Including every series from the last 2 years he averages 32.

It's getting in circles. You think he should be dropped, fair enough. I think he shouldn't be dropped.

It's not going in circles at all Adi, your argument was based on what has been shown to be non-existant performance.

I'd be interested to know why exactly Tendulkar should not be on the chopping block.

[rich1uk]

Adi - we're currently in 2013.

How can a series from 2009 / 2010 be in the last two years?

It's not stat's doing tricks, you're including series which are not in the last two years.

Including every series from the last 2 years he averages 32.

It's getting in circles. You think he should be dropped, fair enough. I think he shouldn't be dropped.

It's not going in circles at all Adi, your argument was based on what has been shown to be non-existant performance.

I'd be interested to know why exactly Tendulkar should not be on the chopping block.

because hes sachin tendulkar

[Alviro Patterson]

There's two cricketers who are immune from criticism

Sachin Tendulkar and Joe Root

[meninblue]

Adi - we're currently in 2013.

How can a series from 2009 / 2010 be in the last two years?

It's not stat's doing tricks, you're including series which are not in the last two years.

Including every series from the last 2 years he averages 32.

It's getting in circles. You think he should be dropped, fair enough. I think he shouldn't be dropped.

It's not going in circles at all Adi, your argument was based on what has been shown to be non-existant performance.

I'd be interested to know why exactly Tendulkar should not be on the chopping block.

There are many reasons why he is in team. He has played in six series since 2011 and he has performed below average in 4 and okay in 2. Players like Sachin are not dropped on basis of 4 such series, when the other two series are showing there are runs on offer . Then we haven't got replacement of Saurav, Rahul and VVS. We have to replace Sehwag who averaged 50 for most part of his career as well. Even Gauti is gone now. Okay lets drop Sachin too. There is only hope that new comers will replace all of these seniors and play for India for over 10 years or more. Chet has got one operation already on knee. His average of 91 is bound to drop and i will say well played if he keeps it at 50 for even 5 years, forget 23 years. Virat , Murali Vijay , Raina, Ajinkya, Yuvi haven't even seen one year of prime form. But there is lot of surety. Everyone thinks Sachin can be gotten rid off. Well......only time will tell. But often one doesn't realizes the value of what one possesses until he loses it. It has been the case with Saurav, Rahul, VVS, Dravid, Sehwag and soon Sachins retirement will teach the same lesson. Good luck but the fact remains that we havent yet found Sauravs replacement since many years. Give me one name who has replaced Saurav who retired 5 years back. , The board knows it, the selectors know his value and even Dhoni knows. That is why he is in the team and we get to experiment to find a replacement of Saurav Ganguly. It's a big hole, see what Aussies have gone into with retirement of Hayden, Ponting, Hussey etc.

Add to it the various dynamics of Indian cricket, i would say there are tougher time for Indian cricket in test matches. There are loads of reason and i haven't touched management dynamics yet in Indian cricket . God bless Indian cricket after FAB 4 .

Whether i put a cricketers hat or a selectors hat on head, i think we should persist with Sachin.

[Arthur Crabtree]

There might be something in that, You know better than me. But the India of Dravid, VVS and SRT lost 4-0 in England, and in Australia. So it wasn't really shoring up anything, apart from Dravid in England, who made things more competitive. The players who have come into to replace the India greats, are generally the ones scoring the runs.

If it wasn't for his age, fair enough. Bell averaged 32 last year and few think that he should be dropped (though that was only over one year). Tendulkar is now middle aged. Sometimes you've got to accept the inevitable. And, like Kohli and Pujara, give young players a chance.

[Making_Splinters]

Exactly Arthur, he's not been a key player for two years now.

I do get confused as to why other senior non performers can be bumped off but Tendulkar is still there.

[shankycricket]

So Tendulkar should not be dropped despite being poor for over 2 years yet I saw the same poster calling for Kohli to be dropped for Rahane after 3 bad Tests vs England. Nice to see people being consistent in their views and not show any bias towards players from their city. Oh Wait!

And yes, don't think too many will disagree that SRT over the course of his career has been a better player than Dravid but to say that he's a "different class altogether" is slightly disrespectful to Dravid. For starters, Dravid has the better record over the last 2 yrs though I do agree that he timed his retirement well. SRT should've been told to retire from both tests and ODIs immediately after the Eng series but they didn't and I guess they had to pick him after he played in those domestic games or else there would've been an outrage over him being disrespected and all that. And he certainly indeed played well in that first Test. But to say that he is undroppable is ludicrous and no, I don't think he should go to SA. He is probably the only player to have an average of over 40 in all Test playing nations and I can certainly see his average in SA going d down below 40 if he plays that series.

[shankycricket]

Adi - we're currently in 2013.

How can a series from 2009 / 2010 be in the last two years?

It's not stat's doing tricks, you're including series which are not in the last two years.

Including every series from the last 2 years he averages 32.

It's getting in circles. You think he should be dropped, fair enough. I think he shouldn't be dropped.

It's not going in circles at all Adi, your argument was based on what has been shown to be non-existant performance.

I'd be interested to know why exactly Tendulkar should not be on the chopping block.

There are many reasons why he is in team. He has played in six series since 2011 and he has performed below average in 4 and okay in 2. Players like Sachin are not dropped on basis of 4 such series, when the other two series are showing there are runs on offer . Then we haven't got replacement of Saurav, Rahul and VVS. We have to replace Sehwag who averaged 50 for most part of his career as well. Even Gauti is gone now. Okay lets drop Sachin too. There is only hope that new comers will replace all of these seniors and play for India for over 10 years or more. Chet has got one operation already on knee. His average of 91 is bound to drop and i will say well played if he keeps it at 50 for even 5 years, forget 23 years. Virat , Murali Vijay , Raina, Ajinkya, Yuvi haven't even seen one year of prime form. But there is lot of surety. Everyone thinks Sachin can be gotten rid off. Well......only time will tell. But often one doesn't realizes the value of what one possesses until he loses it. It has been the case with Saurav, Rahul, VVS, Dravid, Sehwag and soon Sachins retirement will teach the same lesson. Good luck but the fact remains that we havent yet found Sauravs replacement since many years. Give me one name who has replaced Saurav who retired 5 years back. , The board knows it, the selectors know his value and even Dhoni knows. That is why he is in the team and we get to experiment to find a replacement of Saurav Ganguly. It's a big hole, see what Aussies have gone into with retirement of Hayden, Ponting, Hussey etc.

Add to it the various dynamics of Indian cricket, i would say there are tougher time for Indian cricket in test matches. There are loads of reason and i haven't touched management dynamics yet in Indian cricket . God bless Indian cricket after FAB 4 .

Whether i put a cricketers hat or a selectors hat on head, i think we should persist with Sachin.

Who have been India's best performers in Test cricket over the last year or so? Pujara and Kohli. So there's no real reason to believe introduction of more youngsters wouldn't strengthen the side.

[Gingerfinch]

Martin Crowe rated Dravid above Tendulkar. Crowe has a book out soon, where he oicks his 100 greatest Cricketers. Should be worth a debate.

[shankycricket]

Did you watch Dravid in Australia? He was pretty much done, as that was going to be the 3rd time he would have to recover. That was 100% his decision, I don't doubt, especially as he did it just after the series ended unlike VVS. Wouldn't give any credit to selectors there for transitioning the side, they got a free opportunity to bed someone in.

VVS was probably nudged though although that wasn't with this current selection panel, who have actually transitioned the players well-ish. Even then he had to go. It was stupid that the old selection panel picked for the NZ series and then it changed for England which meant the current selectors couldn't change much before and during the England series. Their big mistake has been with Bhajji who they picked, rightly dropped and then decided to pick again ahead of the best spinner in India.

As far as I'm aware, in India, the selectors don't have a say in the selection of the playing XI. Its the captain and the coach who pick the XI. The selectors only picked Bhajji in the squad which you can hardly fault them for considering that the other options for the back up spinner are Chawla and Mishra.

If anything, their big mistake has been the continued persistence with Ishant who is averaging in the 70s in the last 15 Tests or so. I wonder whether the selectors even contemplate about his place (as he doesn't get the kind of vitriol from the media that the seniors do). If they actually think about his place in the squad, hard to see how he can be picked.

[Sandman]

It's difficult to have a rationale argument with Tendu Bhakts. Tendu Bhakts will always find a stat (he has so many) to support him no matter what.

He should have retired out of the 8-0 embarrassment if nothing else.

[meninblue]

Likewise It's difficult to have a rationale argument with Tendu dushmans. Thankfully , the ex cricketers ( selectors) know his overall value to the team and for 23 years not selecting teams on basis of Sachin's critics.

[meninblue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIp-G3vsTao

I watched this coaching video by Sachin. But nothing new to learn from it. It's the same basics that they ahve already taught. The video is made bad by the boy taking lessons. The last straight drive he plays is miserable. It's just a yucks short. And Sachin says thats it. Couldn't they ask a proper cricketer to act in that video to take lessons

[SaintPowelly]

by Adis logic, Botham should play the 2nd test in NZ, because he was good years ago too.

Cricket is a game of "What have you done for me lately" and SRT has done nothing.

[meninblue]

by Adis logic, Botham should play the 2nd test in NZ, because he was good years ago too.

Cricket is a game of "What have you done for me lately" and SRT has done nothing.

In first test he scored 80 something when Patto was on fire. That's as recent as one can perform. Hope it is not forgotten on back of Dhoni's 224.

Still you can drop Sachin.