Racism in English football?

[Aidan11]

I guess this also means Rio Ferdinand's England career is definitely over.

[ddb]

FA will investigate this still though, I think.

[shankycricket]

http://huff.to/NJb7XQ

[GGAS]

One law for the rich, another for the poor.

[Making_Splinters]

Ultimately the fact that this case even made it to court – a case during which the prosecution were essentially forced to admit that they could in no way prove what was actually said – just goes to show the pitfalls that an overzealous approach can have, something the current crop of spot fixing witch hunters would do well to stop and take note of.

At the end of the day certain interested parties were so desperate to have a high profile result in their corner they were prepared to attempt to sacrifice the integrity of due process in this country and frankly good riddance to such a methodology being publically thrown out of court in such a farcical manner. Now John Terry may be an unspeakable *modded* of the highest order, but that doesn’t create an excuse to try and bypass the legal foundations of this country,

[rich1uk]

gotta agree with M-S here , this should never have gone to court

also agree with ddb's comment above, the FA will surely have to do something as based on what we know, and admittedly we dont know everything about the two cases, i cant see the difference between the terry-ferdinand incident and the suarez-evra one which suarez got banned for

[Making_Splinters]

The FA will struggle to pin anything on Terry now that he has been found Not Guilty in a Court of Law especially after the case hinged on the inability of the prosecution to produce any solid evidence that Terry had actually commited an offence.

Personally I would have actually prefered the case to be formally thrown out rather than any verdict be given which would have opened the way for the FA to press through its own process utilising the differing levels of proof that are required.

As I said above this is a sad day for all concerned, the desperation of certain parties to net a high profile name has cost the game any solid result in this matter.

[rich1uk]

As I said above this is a sad day for all concerned, the desperation of certain parties to net a high profile name has cost the game any solid result in this matter.

exactly my thoughts

they were probably hoping that he would be found guilty as much on his character as anything else

[sussexpob]

The FA will struggle to pin anything on Terry now that he has been found Not Guilty in a Court of Law especially after the case hinged on the inability of the prosecution to produce any solid evidence that Terry had actually commited an offence.

Personally I would have actually prefered the case to be formally thrown out rather than any verdict be given which would have opened the way for the FA to press through its own process utilising the differing levels of proof that are required.

As I said above this is a sad day for all concerned, the desperation of certain parties to net a high profile name has cost the game any solid result in this matter.

FA will investigate this still though, I think.

We have a solid result.... that Ferdinand's accusation was untrue or lacked sufficient proof to be taken as truth. The English court system could not prove otherwise, so in the fundamental principles of justices he should be found not guilty and the FA's puppet investigation should accept a high powers application and interpretation of the events and get on with it. Its not like a declaration of "Nolle prosequi" in this instance would make much sense because there was no other sources of data or proof that could subsequently come out to change the decision or continue the investigation.

I have a MASSIVE problem with a lower power or non professional legal body dishing out summary justice when a court has already ruled on the matter. Its not the place of the FA to contradict a court of law's higher level of proof, especially with such a reputation busting thing as accusations of racism.

I know people hate John Terry but the right thing happened. And people who bemoan the courts wasting their time are also probably the people who campaigned to get him to court to answer his case

[shankycricket]

gotta agree with M-S here , this should never have gone to court

also agree with ddb's comment above, the FA will surely have to do something as based on what we know, and admittedly we dont know everything about the two cases, i cant see the difference between the terry-ferdinand incident and the suarez-evra one which suarez got banned for

[rich1uk]

The FA will struggle to pin anything on Terry now that he has been found Not Guilty in a Court of Law especially after the case hinged on the inability of the prosecution to produce any solid evidence that Terry had actually commited an offence.

Personally I would have actually prefered the case to be formally thrown out rather than any verdict be given which would have opened the way for the FA to press through its own process utilising the differing levels of proof that are required.

As I said above this is a sad day for all concerned, the desperation of certain parties to net a high profile name has cost the game any solid result in this matter.

FA will investigate this still though, I think.

We have a solid result.... that Ferdinand's accusation was untrue or lacked sufficient proof to be taken as truth. The English court system could not prove otherwise, so in the fundamental principles of justices he should be found not guilty and the FA's puppet investigation should accept a high powers application and interpretation of the events and get on with it. Its not like a declaration of "Nolle prosequi" in this instance would make much sense because there was no other sources of data or proof that could subsequently come out to change the decision or continue the investigation.

I have a MASSIVE problem with a lower power or non professional legal body dishing out summary justice when a court has already ruled on the matter. Its not the place of the FA to contradict a court of law's higher level of proof, especially with such a reputation busting thing as accusations of racism.

I know people hate John Terry but the right thing happened. And people who bemoan the courts wasting their time are also probably the people who campaigned to get him to court to answer his case

while i agree the right decision was probably reached in the court case the standards of evidence between those required for finding someone guilty of committing a criminal offence and those required within football for bringing the game into disrepute are completely different

[sussexpob]

If a court trawls through all the evidence and cant find any wrong doing, then why would a less thorough and qualified investigation reap a fair result???

[rich1uk]

If a court trawls through all the evidence and cant find any wrong doing, then why would a less thorough and qualified investigation reap a fair result???

because the standards of evidence are different ...

if a player swore at a referee he would expect to receive a lengthy ban but would he be guilty of a criminal offence ?

its the same thing , what constitutes bringing the game into disrepute and chargeable by the FA is completely different to what constitutes having committed a crime

luis suarez was given a lengthy ban by the FA but wasn't even charged by the police let alone convicted

[sussexpob]

If a court trawls through all the evidence and cant find any wrong doing, then why would a less thorough and qualified investigation reap a fair result???

because the standards of evidence are different ... its the same thing , what constitutes bringing the game into disrepute and chargeable by the FA is completely different to what constitutes having committed a crime

The question in Terry's case was not "is calling this man a ***** ****" a crime, and the court deciding not.... they could not prove that the words were said having consider in depth the available evidence. Therefore the FA would have to contradict a material fact made by a professional legal judge to say that they could actually prove that John Terry said those words, or have watered down the required evidence to the point that they are literally just charging him despite a legal precedent in place because Anton Ferdinand said so.

Either answer is unsatisfactory, and with John Terry's willingness to clear his name, will simply end in a mess of counter law suits and pointless legal ramblings that waste time. John Terry could adequately defend himself in court against an FA ban or fine, or simply labelling him a racist, because the court have already ruled the matter closed.

I dont know what he has left to answer!!! How has he brought the game into disrepute? By being accused of racism? It hasnt been proved despite thorough legal wranglings in a proper court....

Feel free to call him what you wish, but all you are succeeding in doing is believing someone else story, possibily motivated by a personal dislike of the man in question, not on any sound evidential basis. Calling John Terry racist is actually quite defamatory based on the lack of available truth!

[rich1uk]

whoa hang on there a minute

show me where i have called him a racist ?

i never once said he was guilty of anything, i never said he had brought the game into disrepute , i said i expected the FA to at least take the same action against him they did against luis suarez

and btw my point is still valid about standards of evidence

and one other thing sussex , before you start ranting at me and accusing me of saying things i clearly did not say , you might want to read back a bit where i said that the correct decision had been made in the court case and that it had been a waste of time even taking him to court in the first place