India the Test Future?

[braveneutral]

And that is not an easy task.

[shankycricket]

Whilst I would rank the Indian domestic game far below English county cricket in terms of the overall level of quality, such records are still mighty impressive, and show a great level of consistency. It isn't the be all and end all, as we have found out with Mukund when opening the batting in England - it is a bloody tough assignment, regardless of first class success - but it certainly allows for promise.

Bowling remains the issue. If the likes of Yadav, Praveen, Aaron can really push on, improve their game and add consistency, then they stand a chance. If not, they may suffer many of the same problems that the current side is suffering, i.e. an inability to take 20 wickets on a regular basis.

The problem with Aaron is his action.The guy tries to bowl quick without actually running in hard.So that obviously puts that extra pressure on his back which has led to him having so many injuries.The problem with Yadav is the same as that of a young Stuart Broad.When the ball isnt swinging he doesnt have the patience to persevere with line and length and starts bowling short and tries to bounce a batsman out but ends up spraying it.He is at his best when he pitches the ball up IMO something which he didnt do in Adelaide and the 2nd innings at Sydney on flat pitches.I think these youngsters need to be handled with care IMO.

[braveneutral]

A comparison I would like to make for Ashwin is Ajmal. The boy seems to lose all confidence the second he has been hit over the ropes, much like with Ajmal. However, one wicket changes this incredibly.

[shankycricket]

DDB

Is Rohit Test class though?Not a good sign when a player throws his wicket away after getting to 20 or 30.Make no mistake,that would be a talented line up but to say that it would not be a problem in SA conditions when the players are yet to prove themselves is a bit premature IMO.Even the home batsmen Graeme Smith and AB De Villiers dont have great records there.

[ddb]

Is Rohit Test class though

He hasn't played test cricket yet so aren't you being premature to write him off?

.Make no mistake,that would be a talented line up but to say that it would not be a problem in SA conditions when the players are yet to prove themselves is a bit premature IMO.

I didn't say that though:

wouldn't worry me too much in SA in 2 years.

It should be a decent batting line up.

(kimmed up the quotes )

[braveneutral]

As a follower of India and England, which batting line-up would worry me the most 6-8 years down the line in terms of new additions? England for sure.

[Making_Splinters]

I have said for a long time that England's supposed strength and depth is rather hollow aside from the bowling.

[ddb]

Yeah I have to agree with that, not even 6-8 though, I think when Strauss goes, there don't see to be many test class replacements at the moment.

But they have a dozen of fast bowlers that would walk into our side so they'll still be a better team in most conditions.

[shankycricket]

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

ODI averages over 60 against WI and Zim.Crap vs others.I am not writing him off at all but he might not be as good as some think he is(not you,btw).

My views on Kohli are well documented.I think the guy is an extraordinarily freakish talent but I would to see how they perform in Test cricket before discussing their credentials in SA conditions which are by far the toughest to bat in the world. For my money,I'd still very much have Sachin in the side for that series.

[shankycricket]

Yeah I have to agree with that, not even 6-8 though, I think when Strauss goes, there don't see to be many test class replacements at the moment.

But they have a dozen of fast bowlers that would walk into our side so they'll still be a better team in most conditions.

I would agree.
Personally,I cant see either team being great away from home.This winter,I'd expect India to wallop us 3-0 or maybe even 4-0 in the test series.

[GGAS]

I think the point ddb is trying to make is that ODI's are different from tests, and iirc Sharma has a more impressive FC record than List A. Could be wrong though.

[shankycricket]

As a follower of India and England, which batting line-up would worry me the most 6-8 years down the line in terms of new additions? England for sure.

Well,I'd agree with that but that would depend on conditions IMO.Can anyone say conclusively atm that Tiwary,Rohit,Pujara,Rahane are better than Taylor,Stokes,Bairstow,etc in English conditions?
Its a bit too early to say IMO.Thats why I'd wait before passing judgements that India surely have better batting talent than England. They might but lets not use the words "for sure". Its still far too early.

[braveneutral]

I think the point ddb is trying to make is that ODI's are different from tests, and iirc Sharma has a more impressive FC record than List A. Could be wrong though.

You could be, but I will say you are not, verify the answer, then come back and edit this post if needs be.

[braveneutral]

Yes massively better FC than ODI and List A averages.

[ddb]

For my money,I'd still very much have Sachin in the side for that series.

Which is silly.

This winter,I'd expect India to wallop us 3-0 or maybe even 4-0 in the test series.

Not a chance in hell.

Can anyone say conclusively atm that Tiwary,Rohit,Pujara,Rahane are better than Taylor,Stokes,Bairstow,etc in English conditions?

No one has said that.

Rohit has time on his side, he has something, that's without doubt. He's batting at 6 in the batting line up in 2 years time for a reason though.