Spot Fixing?

[Durhamfootman]

I wouldnt get too exercised about punishments folks. 24 hours on and I am even more convinced that the PCB will fight this out to the bitter end and get its players exonerated. Establishining innocence/guilt won't even come into it. Expect an ICC cover up.

As am I!

Well..... todays events have worried me somewhat. I was confident that the PCB and ICC would stamp down on this. It now seems that there is a lot of back-tracking going on. Now, apparently, the 3 players are totally innocent and have suffered mental torture (to which Mikey referred).

Mental torture? Now if they'd referred to mental anguish... fair enough.... but, mental torture? That suggests that the police or the media or the authorities are in some way actively trying to inflict distress on the poor chaps!

All the language coming from the PCB seems now to be bullish, rather than contrite.

I can smell a fudge and a cover up coming.

[ddb]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... 2_09_2010/

1 hour 6 minutes in, George Dobell speaking sense on the matter, worth a listen.

[Dimi]

200 hours of suspended community service and a commitment to give talks at schools about the perils of getting in with the wrong crowd?

200hrs for consipracy to fraud a betting ring involved in 100's millions of pounds of business? For which he is paid a 6 figure sum? Involved with very dodgy people?

It was just tongue in cheek. It's fair though, because murders and rapists would actually have to do the community service. Thankfully though they won't face our 'justice' system.

Ban them!! Ban them!!!

[englandmad666]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tlwzq/5_live_Drive_02_09_2010/

1 hour 6 minutes in, George Dobell speaking sense on the matter, worth a listen.

Just listened from where you suggested and i hated the NOTW statement of "watch this space".

This makes me angry more then anything ive heard so far, this suggests there is still more info to come, set to be released on the date of the first 20-20...im sorry but this isnt a game now, if the notw has info then it should be made public and not be held back in order to try and sell more papers on sunday!

[sussexpob]

I wouldnt get too exercised about punishments folks. 24 hours on and I am even more convinced that the PCB will fight this out to the bitter end and get its players exonerated. Establishining innocence/guilt won't even come into it. Expect an ICC cover up.

Isnt Scotland Yard investigating the case? Im not sure the ICC's wishes or jurisdiction have any weight on the wishes of the British Justice system. If they get off it will down to the fact that fact fraud cases are notoriously difficult to bring positive results for prosecutors.... they are usually long winded affairs that occupy months of CPS/Trial time as well.

The fact no one has been charged yet is not an indication of anything to do with a possible result to this enquiry. The police can take all the time they need to ascertain a case against the accused, and as per above, this many take months to do.

[englandmad666]

I wouldnt get too exercised about punishments folks. 24 hours on and I am even more convinced that the PCB will fight this out to the bitter end and get its players exonerated. Establishining innocence/guilt won't even come into it. Expect an ICC cover up.

Isnt Scotland Yard investigating the case? Im not sure the ICC's wishes or jurisdiction have any weight on the wishes of the British Justice system. If they get off it will down to the fact that fact fraud cases are notoriously difficult to bring positive results for prosecutors.... they are usually long winded affairs that occupy months of CPS/Trial time as well.

The fact no one has been charged yet is not an indication of anything to do with a possible result to this enquiry. The police can take all the time they need to ascertain a case against the accused, and as per above, this many take months to do.

It is probably fair to say it takes longer to charge someone with a crime rather then it takes to establish innonce and be released, the police have a duty to bring a case forward that the cps can use with confidence knowing they can establish a conviction or a guilty verdict as they dont want to be accused of wasting tax payers money and time.

[Durhamfootman]

Come on em666,

you don't actually think the NOTW will tell all, all in one go, do you? How many papers will that sell?

That's like expecting the Independent (was it? I've forgotten now) to dish up all the dirt on MPs expenses in one go. I'd be prepared to bet that they still have undisclosed material, just waiting to bring down some politician in the future, when the time is right.

[englandmad666]

Come on em666,

you don't actually think the NOTW will tell all, all in one go, do you? How many papers will that sell?

That's like expecting the Independent (was it? I've forgotten now) to dish up all the dirt on MPs expenses in one go. I'd be prepared to bet that they still have undisclosed material, just waiting to bring down some politician in the future, when the time is right.

Whilst i understand what you are saying durham and whilst it makes sense for them to hold info back...if they have more damning info then i suggest that it gets released as they are wasting tax payers money and time with scotland yard having to struggle to establish the facts and on deciding if charges should be brought.

[Durhamfootman]

I imagine that Scotland Yard will have every scrap of evidence that the NOTW can provide.

[sussexpob]

I imagine that Scotland Yard will have every scrap of evidence that the NOTW can provide.

Of course, and also they will start to look at overseas bank accounts etc.... its amazingly time consuming, and this you only have to look at Enron to find an example of how complex these underworld illegitimate business are setup. I find it remarkable that people assume because a charge is yet to me made, that this is proof of innocence ..... its simply a case of breaking down walls now for evidence.

Its my belief with such cases, and this one, that such investigation only takes place if the strong belief on guilt is present. I would expect scotland yard know the alligations are true, but dont have enough evidence to stand up in court.

[SaintPowelly]

I would expect scotland yard know the alligations are true, but dont have enough evidence to stand up in court.

yet, the truth will come out

[Mr Popodopolous]

Personally, I see this matter quite simply.

If the courts find them innocent they're innocent. If the courts find them guilty- then they're guilty. Obviously there is no fixed timescale- and nor should there be either, because police and detectives need as long as it takes to gather the evidence one way or another.

[yorker_129-7]

Personally, I see this matter quite simply.

If the courts find them innocent they're innocent. If the courts find them guilty- then they're guilty.

Never a truer word spoken. The more the accusations, counter-accusations and general "make something connected when it isn't" attitude is what really harms cricket, not the allegations themselves (unless they do prove to be guilty).

BTW, developments (although hardly unexpected) tonight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket ... 953417.stm

[Chris de Burgh]

Croydon athletic football club also under the spotlight. The person linked with the spot betting owns the club and it's been claimed that he's laundered money through it. It'll be interesting to see what happens there too

[mikesiva]

Personally, I see this matter quite simply.

If the courts find them innocent they're innocent. If the courts find them guilty- then they're guilty.

Never a truer word spoken. The more the accusations, counter-accusations and general "make something connected when it isn't" attitude is what really harms cricket, not the allegations themselves (unless they do prove to be guilty).

BTW, developments (although hardly unexpected) tonight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket ... 953417.stm

Good to see the ICC have suspended the trio....

Of course, we mustn't confuse the anti-corruption investigation by the ICC with the criminal investigation being undertaken by the police. In terms of the criminal investigation, the burden of proof is greater. For example, no criminal investigation would've found Marlon Samuels guilty, but the iCC still slapped him with a two-year ban, and deservedly so, IMHO.