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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby D/L » Wed May 21, 2014 4:02 pm

sussexpob wrote:I mean looking back on that quotation, what could Ajmal have meant? I cant find any explanation other than he slipped up.... what could be over 23.5 degrees and "permissive" without it being his bowling arm flexing? The exact quote even draws on the fact they are "allowing him" to do it, and the part about the arm problems is used as explanation. If they are allowing it, then by the tone of the comment, its a comment about something not permitted.

Why would he be referring to anything legal?

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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby SaintPowelly » Wed May 21, 2014 4:03 pm

Could be something as simple as poor English or poor translation ?
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby D/L » Wed May 21, 2014 4:04 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:Testing under laboratory conditions is hardly the same as what the bowler does in a game. There's no way the eye can detect whether the flex is 15 degrees or 18 degrees. The claim that the third umpire is checking I find difficult to accept. It's total bunkum the ICC give out on this subject.

Absolutely. If the Muralitharan fiasco has taught them anything it is that honesty is not always the best policy, as far as their jobs are concerned anyway.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby SaintPowelly » Wed May 21, 2014 4:08 pm

Has anyone ever complained about Ajmal though ?? obviously an umpire reported him at some point for him to be tested.

But has a board tried to have him banned ? or refused to play against him ? etc.

To my knowledge they haven't and the ECB had no problem with Worcester signing him, or Hants before that ( not that he ever arrived )
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed May 21, 2014 4:16 pm

SaintPowelly wrote:Has anyone ever complained about Ajmal though ?? obviously an umpire reported him at some point for him to be tested.

But has a board tried to have him banned ? or refused to play against him ? etc.

To my knowledge they haven't and the ECB had no problem with Worcester signing him, or Hants before that ( not that he ever arrived )


It would become an international incident if a country or a cricket board did anything like that. Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and SL are all connected to politics. Remember the Pakistan ambassador's irate comments over the spot fixing in 2010.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby D/L » Wed May 21, 2014 4:27 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Has anyone ever complained about Ajmal though ?? obviously an umpire reported him at some point for him to be tested.

But has a board tried to have him banned ? or refused to play against him ? etc.

To my knowledge they haven't and the ECB had no problem with Worcester signing him, or Hants before that ( not that he ever arrived )

It would become an international incident if a country or a cricket board did anything like that. Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and SL are all connected to politics. Remember the Pakistan ambassador's irate comments over the spot fixing in 2010.

Yes, international umpires are well paid and many perks go with their jobs. They'd remember what happened to Hair and it would take a brave, or foolhardy, umpire to think that his employer would support him if he "called" a prominent international bowler.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu May 22, 2014 5:03 am

It is a bit odd to unpick a comment by a player whose mother tongue is not English talking about a technical aspect of cricket. I'd be interested to see anyone on here talk about the same issue in Urdu without leaving any room for misinterpretation.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby sussexpob » Thu May 22, 2014 8:48 am

Making_Splinters wrote:It is a bit odd to unpick a comment by a player whose mother tongue is not English talking about a technical aspect of cricket. I'd be interested to see anyone on here talk about the same issue in Urdu without leaving any room for misinterpretation.


So we are now to ignore all statements made, unquestionably understandable, by all non-English native speakers on the basis that this will later be "misinterpreted" on the basis on his language skills? He said it, you don't have to add anything into it to understand!!!

It seems strange also that, the evidence of the report that is quoted from 2009, has never been made public. It is the ICC's opinion that we wouldn't understand it, yet George Dobell was shown it in Dubai and is now saying it proves Ajmal doesn't chuck!!

So I take it that means that George Dobell is international crickets first journalist that specialises in Biometrics, because he understood the report, right???? And that Dave Richardson is the ICC's first biometric specialist in his role at the ICC?? Talent bloke he is, qualified lawyer, 42 tests for South Africa as a batsman-wicketkeeper, and biometric expert!!! Must be talented to have grasped such a complex issue that us mere mortals would never get.

We are also told Ajmal has a natural arm bend as a result of an accident while on Pakistan duty (no details are available) giving us an illusion... considering he was picked in 2009 for Pakistan, and was called on debut, I wonder how such an abnormality occurred in his body without preventing him from appearing in that test. Not many people have an accident that leaves them with a deformity for the rest of their life, and are able to use the limb on the same day in a test match. At this point we are told, "oh well, he was probably born with it", so if he was born with it, why are people saying its the accident? Another example of the Pakistan team not following the same scripted lie?

It is also quite suprising how many of these people called have problems biologically that cause them to look like they chuck..... it seems to be a great off spinner, you need to have had your arm run over by a car. Its not suspicious at all..... :facepalm

We then have the ICC commenting that he has made no obvious changes to his action to prompt re-testing... even though Ajmal himself has said he has introduced two new types of delivery to his armoury....

Seems he is gleaning a rather large share of any benefit in doubt.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu May 22, 2014 9:41 am

A few months ago Ashwin was telling reporters about his attempts to take advantage of the 15 degree flex in order to develope a doosra, he also quipped it also required wearing long sleeved shirts.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby D/L » Thu May 22, 2014 10:04 am

Making_Splinters wrote:It is a bit odd to unpick a comment by a player whose mother tongue is not English talking about a technical aspect of cricket. I'd be interested to see anyone on here talk about the same issue in Urdu without leaving any room for misinterpretation.

Words, of whatever language, even if badly chosen or misinterpreted, are superfluous here. Actions speak louder than words, especially dodgy ones.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby SaintPowelly » Thu May 22, 2014 10:53 am

Eexcept the people that matter say it isn't dodgy.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby D/L » Thu May 22, 2014 12:43 pm

SaintPowelly wrote:Eexcept the people that matter say it isn't dodgy.

They are also the people who have a vested interest in saying that.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby sussexpob » Thu May 22, 2014 2:48 pm

Roland Jones took a second innings 6 for... 12-100 in the match.....

Surely that's him in the England team this summer?
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby SaintPowelly » Thu May 22, 2014 2:54 pm

sussexpob wrote:Roland Jones took a second innings 6 for... 12-100 in the match.....

Surely that's him in the England team this summer?


Both him and Will Gidman would make my side, so neither of them will.
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Re: CC discussion thread 2014

Postby SaintPowelly » Sun May 25, 2014 12:57 pm

Leicester are 34/5, Hants dismissed them for 96 last week.
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