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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:29 pm

But India market demands outweigh uk market demand and if India broadcaster and board still want 5 day test it won't change.
the only market that wants 4 day test is ecb and the counties, no one else actually makes much of a difference to them since boards don't pay fees to host test matches or really need crowds to fund the game like England do.
Advertisement is the number 1 sole earner for cricket outside uk and that needs the game to be 5 days or have more overs played so more adverts can be fitted in.

If anything the market is forcing the test cricket games to have more meaning so ratings get higher than market forces forcing 4 day test.

Harrison and graves are only speaking from a uk point of view that isn't even close to actually happening in real life

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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:32 pm

Plus not really sure what research he done to even come to the conclusion market wants 4 day test.
Does he seriously think broadcaster want less days, games more likely having a dull finish and pontentially reducing the ratings further for cricket.
The only thing he consideried is that Yorkshire loses money when the game goes into day 5.
That essentially is market the counties.
Not sure how counties is relevant to the global test cricket market.

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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:34 pm

The last bcci president view on it that was pretty much followed by most other board apart from ecb.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/conte ... 52477.html

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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby meninblue » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:38 pm

There is nothing wrong if ECB says that the investment in Test is not generating enough revenue and hence they want to promote T20 if that is the case. But say it to the point.

However, test format should be preserved as well even if it is making loss. When T20 was new, many baords used the revenue generated from Tests and ODI to sustain T20 format. But now that T20 is generating revenue on its own and tests are struggling to generate revenue, they decide not to use some T20 revenue to sustain traditional test cricket. So they cut one day from it.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby westoelad » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:40 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:If this idea came from Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, from the recently discovered last letters of Donald Bradman... it might have a little credibility as a way forward for the good of the game itself and its many followers. But it comes from people who run supermarkets. How sensible is it that Graves should have so much say in terms of the integrity of the future of cricket?

Has has had a lot to say but I'm not sure how much influence he has.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:42 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:If this idea came from Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, from the recently discovered last letters of Donald Bradman... it might have a little credibility as a way forward for the good of the game itself and its many followers. But it comes from people who run supermarkets. How sensible is it that Graves should have so much say in terms of the integrity of the future of cricket?

perhaps some shipbuilding mogul should suggest limiting supermarkets to 4 day a week opening hours?
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:44 pm

and justify it by saying that is in response to the rise of online shopping
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Postby meninblue » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:45 pm

Lalit Modi in in England since last year or so. Maybe he met some ECB members and advised them. :lol:
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby hopeforthebest » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:53 pm

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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Alviro Patterson » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:22 pm

Adi wrote:There is nothing wrong if ECB says that the investment in Test is not generating enough revenue and hence they want to promote T20 if that is the case. But say it to the point.

However, test format should be preserved as well even if it is making loss. When T20 was new, many baords used the revenue generated from Tests and ODI to sustain T20 format. But now that T20 is generating revenue on its own and tests are struggling to generate revenue, they decide not to use some T20 revenue to sustain traditional test cricket. So they cut one day from it.


It appears to me Harrison wants 4 day test cricket so that the newly proposed English Twenty20 competition becomes commercially viable.

The ECB are already taking liberties in devaluing the other domestic competitions in County Cricket - making the Royal London 50 Over Cup essentially a 2nd XI competition and the T20 Blast a 2nd rate competition. Now the ECB want to change the playing format of test cricket, without even considering the adverse effects.

Harrison, Graves, Strauss et al want kicking into touch and soon.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:31 pm

Adi wrote:There is nothing wrong if ECB says that the investment in Test is not generating enough revenue and hence they want to promote T20 if that is the case. But say it to the point.



The ECB has stockpiled wads of cash from the present system, so revenue is being generated. Plenty of this gets into the pockets of the ECB executives of course.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:41 pm

Guessing with Yorkshire struggling to host games in the future, the news have came out now, apparently Yorkshire will be the next Durham if they can't get the new stand built.
Will be losing international status in 2019 if they can't fund it.

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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby captaincolly » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:49 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:Guessing with Yorkshire struggling to host games in the future, the news have came out now, apparently Yorkshire will be the next Durham if they can't get the new stand built.
Will be losing international status in 2019 if they can't fund it.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/con ... 87871.html
I wonder why the council have decided not to give them the £4m grant? International cricket must be worth a lot more than that to the region so it would be odd to put that in jeopardy.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Alviro Patterson » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:10 am

bhaveshgor wrote:Guessing with Yorkshire struggling to host games in the future, the news have came out now, apparently Yorkshire will be the next Durham if they can't get the new stand built.
Will be losing international status in 2019 if they can't fund it.


A bit of an exaggeration there with Yorkshire being the next Durham. Yorkshire will still remain solvent regardless of international future, just that the debts will take longer to pay off.

Though I find that Headingley hosting World Cup matches is dependent on the new main stand is disgusting by the ECB. New Zealand hosted games with Nelson, Christchurch and Dunedin having basic facilities. Denying the nations most successful county to host World Cup matches is sacrilege.
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Re: Random Cricket Thread (Domestic Cricket)

Postby Alviro Patterson » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:17 am

captaincolly wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:Guessing with Yorkshire struggling to host games in the future, the news have came out now, apparently Yorkshire will be the next Durham if they can't get the new stand built.
Will be losing international status in 2019 if they can't fund it.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/con ... 87871.html
I wonder why the council have decided not to give them the £4m grant? International cricket must be worth a lot more than that to the region so it would be odd to put that in jeopardy.


Leeds City Council have made sizeable cuts to public services (something like £72 Million and 2000 jobs lost), so giving £4 Million to a private entity would not make for good publicity.

I am not amused with the board making ultimatums and going down the route of blackmail where it is their job to generate money. To build a new stand where half of it will either be used for corporate hospitality or media is a waste of money. Surely if there is a £4 Million black hole, then downscale the plans.
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