England squad for Pakistan series

[Durhamfootman]

To be fair, the opposition were blatantly chucking,

No!

surely not!

I hope you can back that up, young man

that's commie talk

[Arthur Crabtree]

The world finally caught up with me.

[Durhamfootman]

you'll be telling me next that some of the bowlers might have deliberately overstepped in an illegal betting scam a few years ago

patent nonsense

fine upstanding chaps these boys

not a blemish on their records

impeccable integrity

not a ball biting, footmark twizzling, doosra chucking, no baller in sight

I'm looking forward to it immensely

nowt better than a Pakistan series

[hopeforthebest]

The world finally caught up with me.

A subpoena is on its way.

[backfootpunch]

i expect us to lose this series and lose it badly given oour inability to play spin and especially leg spin

the only way we win is if cook and root score shed loads and rashid somehow finds decent control

my team would be this

cook
hales
bell
root
moeen
stokes
buttler (wk)
rashid
wood
broad
jimmy

wood gets in over finn as he is supposedly a good reverse swing bowler and finn will not get any bounce or seam movement on these pitches so will be ineffective

moeen should not open as that would be a stop gap and you dont want hales or someone else making there debut against steyn, philander and morkel in south africa

we really need cook to find the form he was on our last tour to India and hope that root is as good a player of spin as people say he is, then our only problem will be that our bowling is toothless on flat pitches. we have lots of talent but it is still very raw and i expect us to lose both this series and the following one in SA, but a year or two down the line we could well be the best team in the world if these players mature

[shankycricket]

I'm not sure persisting with a 33 year old who has struggled for all but 1 series in the last 3 and a half years and who averaged 8 in the UAE last time around (whilst at his peak) and also struggled miserably in the entire previous leg of Asian tours (which is where England will be playing most of their overseas cricket over the next 18 months) makes a lot of sense. The only blot is the tour to South Africa but does anyone really see him doing well there in his current state?

[Dr Cricket]

Can't see Bell being dropped from the UAE/SA squad might get dropped from the team or play is last game in an england shirt in a dead rubber.
Can't see him playing the first test in the English summer though.
Their still got 2 test against Bangladesh to warm up for the India series which the new batsman can use to get use to spin and conditions.

[shankycricket]

My XI in the UAE

Cook
Moeen
Root
Taylor
Ballance/Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler/Bairstow
Rashid
Broad
Tredwell
Finn

[Dr Cricket]

Tredwell will be a bad pick, for the 3rd spinner I would go for one of the young spinners in County cricket.
Basically what Warne and bumble said the best spinner prospect right now goes.

Also be interesting to see how UAE plays since from most of my memory it doesn't really spin much, only world class spinner take wicket there.
England could have a tough time at UAE since no real Spin bowlers and Pakistan got a class spinner in Yasir Shah.

Probably Spin far more in West indies then it does in UAE and England only played one spinner in those games.

[dan08]

I'd like to see a young spinner in the squad but then they'd probably benefit more by playing on the Lions tour than just be a squad member of the Test side.

[Dr Cricket]

I'd like to see a young spinner in the squad but then they'd probably benefit more by playing on the Lions tour than just be a squad member of the Test side.

Where are the lions playing although as warne and bumble said it depends on what the players do if they just carrying drinks then Lions is better but if their bowl thousands of balls at the nets then going on tour is so much beneficial.
Although it seem England are not doing a lions this year and doing an EPP in South africa/UAE.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Also be interesting to see how UAE plays since from most of my memory it doesn't really spin much, only world class spinner take wicket there.
England could have a tough time at UAE since no real Spin bowlers and Pakistan got a class spinner in Yasir Shah.

In UAE, innings figures.
Panesar 6-62.
Craig 7-94.
Tahir 5-32.

Even bowlers like Harris, Duminy and North have chipped in. I'm not suggesting anyone goes in with four spinners, like India in the seventies. Just a balanced attack. Is a third (/fourth?) seamer really going to offer more advantage than a second spinner?

I go along with Shanky's side, though I'm not sure about Ballance and Bairstow. Maybe ask around and look for a a really good player of spin from the ranks of CC?

[Arthur Crabtree]

I'd like to see a young spinner in the squad but then they'd probably benefit more by playing on the Lions tour than just be a squad member of the Test side.

Last season's picks, Ravi Patel and Riley haven't had good seasons. Might be a chance for someone to make a case in the last few games. Crane might get in a Lions squad.

Remember Shaun Udal in India? Not an established international bowler, but evidence that it makes sense to pick players suited to the conditions.

Maybe you don't. That was nine years ago!

[backfootpunch]

Tredwell will be a bad pick, for the 3rd spinner I would go for one of the young spinners in County cricket.
Basically what Warne and bumble said the best spinner prospect right now goes.

Also be interesting to see how UAE plays since from most of my memory it doesn't really spin much, only world class spinner take wicket there.
England could have a tough time at UAE since no real Spin bowlers and Pakistan got a class spinner in Yasir Shah.

Probably Spin far more in West indies then it does in UAE and England only played one spinner in those games.

we have no idea how good yasir shah is as he has only played on spinner friendly wickets

i expect england to struggle against him though, as our batsmen tend to either block or slog against spin which on turning tracks is a recipe for disaster

[Dr Cricket]

Also be interesting to see how UAE plays since from most of my memory it doesn't really spin much, only world class spinner take wicket there.
England could have a tough time at UAE since no real Spin bowlers and Pakistan got a class spinner in Yasir Shah.

In UAE, innings figures.
Panesar 6-62.
Craig 7-94.
Tahir 5-32.

Even bowlers like Harris, Duminy and North have chipped in. I'm not suggesting anyone goes in with four spinners, like India in the seventies. Just a balanced attack. Is a third (/fourth?) seamer really going to offer more advantage than a second spinner?

I go along with Shanky's side, though I'm not sure about Ballance and Bairstow. Maybe ask around and look for a a really good player of spin from the ranks of CC?

You always have to pick 2 spinners in UAE or Asia and West indies
my point was really saying that UAE decks don't really spin like West indies or india/Sri lanka ones do, it mostly skids and even Nasser/Atherton pointed out that it might even spin less than West indies and they didn't even pick 2 spinner although it did seem England picked the team using data and not their eyes on that tour.
Watching this I barely see any deliveries spinning much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGHyYvgLu_A
basically think UAE might be a place where only Really really good spinner that will take Wickets and the rest might struggle a bit.
gonna be tough winter for Ali and Rashid since they will be expected to take wickets.