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Probably needs its own thread.

Might move the other posts over a in a bit.

I think he's always planned something like this. Kohli gets a relatively easy start to his test captaincy, he bows out completely after the WC and has captained all the tougher away games. I don't think we embarrassed ourselves as much on this tour but that has more to do with Virat than Dhoni.

Should he have been pushed earlier? Yes. Dhoni had a great test captaincy record until 2011 then it went to the shitter.

If Dhoni had gone after England this time, was Kohli ready to take it? Not with his batting form.

Dhoni also shows how much he hates reporters by doing this in a press release after the press conference. No questions, he's gone. Now we have a trip into Kohli's crazy head.

I think Kohli's behaviour throughout his career has shown he's not captaincy material. A captain is supposed to lead by example, not be getting fined for his actions towards other players, not getting fined for sticking his middle finger up at the crowd.

Unless Kohli matures very quickly, he's not going to last very long as a Test captain. He may be the most talented Indian batsman of his generation and on his way to becoming one of the biggest wickets in world cricket, but there's more to captaincy than that.

Dohni will no doubt sit back and count his millions after the World Cup, occasionally being wheeled out for another fat pay cheque in the IPL. Waste of one of the best ODI batsmen of modern cricket.

Making_Splinters wrote:I think Kohli's behaviour throughout his career has shown he's not captaincy material. A captain is supposed to lead by example, not be getting fined for his actions towards other players, not getting fined for sticking his middle finger up at the crowd.

Unless Kohli matures very quickly, he's not going to last very long as a Test captain. He may be the most talented Indian batsman of his generation and on his way to becoming one of the biggest wickets in world cricket, but there's more to captaincy than that.

Dohni will no doubt sit back and count his millions after the World Cup, occasionally being wheeled out for another fat pay cheque in the IPL. Waste of one of the best ODI batsmen of modern cricket.

Why do you hate Dhoni so much. Why can't you just say something nice about him when he is retiring from test matches.
You are really sad if you are getting jealous of how much money he earns.

Henry Blofeld didn't pull any punches -

Henry Blofeld @ blowersh 21 secs22 seconds ago Victoria, Australia
Well done Dhoni for retiring from Tests after the MCG. He has been a liability in this form of the game. But Kohli must watch the sledging!

bhaveshgor wrote:

Making_Splinters wrote:I think Kohli's behaviour throughout his career has shown he's not captaincy material. A captain is supposed to lead by example, not be getting fined for his actions towards other players, not getting fined for sticking his middle finger up at the crowd.

Unless Kohli matures very quickly, he's not going to last very long as a Test captain. He may be the most talented Indian batsman of his generation and on his way to becoming one of the biggest wickets in world cricket, but there's more to captaincy than that.

Dohni will no doubt sit back and count his millions after the World Cup, occasionally being wheeled out for another fat pay cheque in the IPL. Waste of one of the best ODI batsmen of modern cricket.

Why do you hate Dhoni so much. Why can't you just say something nice about him when he is retiring from test matches.
You are really sad if you are getting jealous of how much money he earns.

Can't say anything nice about him? I suggest you look at my closing sentance which says he is one of the best ODI batsmen in the modern game. I suppose that is a criticism? I'm certainly not jealous of him, just a comment based on what has been an obvious lack of interest in Test cricket for quite some time, I would draw some comparisions with Cook and say he was deluded into thinking he was doing the best for the side, but I honestly don't believe that is true in Dhoni's case.

Fine played on his day, excellent captain at the start of his career, but as results went against him he simply didn't have the spine to turn things around.

Making_Splinters wrote:I think Kohli's behaviour throughout his career has shown he's not captaincy material. A captain is supposed to lead by example, not be getting fined for his actions towards other players, not getting fined for sticking his middle finger up at the crowd.

I reckon he will be a Ganguly type captain or a Arjuna Ranatunga.

Just because he is captain doesn't mean he has to stop sledging or not get under opposition players skins.

I think Kohli would be a great captain because of his aggressive mentality and attitude.

bhaveshgor wrote:

Making_Splinters wrote:I think Kohli's behaviour throughout his career has shown he's not captaincy material. A captain is supposed to lead by example, not be getting fined for his actions towards other players, not getting fined for sticking his middle finger up at the crowd.

I reckon he will be a Ganguly type captain or a Arjuna Ranatunga.

Just because he is captain doesn't mean he has to stop sledging or not get under opposition players skins.

I think Kohli would be a great captain because of his aggressive mentality and attitude.

There's a difference between sledging and seriously crossing the line, there's a difference between being aggressive and swearing at the crowd. Kohli is too hot headed to deal with a struggling side. You never know, he might turn out to be a Border type captain who was a complete git towards everyone but led from the front and took no excuses.

Making_Splinters wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:

Making_Splinters wrote:I think Kohli's behaviour throughout his career has shown he's not captaincy material. A captain is supposed to lead by example, not be getting fined for his actions towards other players, not getting fined for sticking his middle finger up at the crowd.

I reckon he will be a Ganguly type captain or a Arjuna Ranatunga.

Just because he is captain doesn't mean he has to stop sledging or not get under opposition players skins.

I think Kohli would be a great captain because of his aggressive mentality and attitude.

There's a difference between sledging and seriously crossing the line, there's a difference between being aggressive and swearing at the crowd. Kohli is too hot headed to deal with a struggling side. You never know, he might turn out to be a Border type captain who was a complete git towards everyone but led from the front and took no excuses.

Bit harsh mentioning the Swearing at the crowd considering it only happened once and that in Australia where they give you the biggest stick, Botham, Broad and KP have all said fielding in Australia is the toughest which is why england always had Trott near the boundary ropes.

Generally struggling sides usually need Aggressive captain to perform better and I reckon india need a Aggressive captain after 6-7 years of defensive Dhoni captaincy.

bhaveshgor wrote:

Making_Splinters wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:

Making_Splinters wrote:I think Kohli's behaviour throughout his career has shown he's not captaincy material. A captain is supposed to lead by example, not be getting fined for his actions towards other players, not getting fined for sticking his middle finger up at the crowd.

I reckon he will be a Ganguly type captain or a Arjuna Ranatunga.

Just because he is captain doesn't mean he has to stop sledging or not get under opposition players skins.

I think Kohli would be a great captain because of his aggressive mentality and attitude.

There's a difference between sledging and seriously crossing the line, there's a difference between being aggressive and swearing at the crowd. Kohli is too hot headed to deal with a struggling side. You never know, he might turn out to be a Border type captain who was a complete git towards everyone but led from the front and took no excuses.

Bit harsh mentioning the Swearing at the crowd considering it only happened once and that in Australia where they give you the biggest stick, Botham, Broad and KP have all said fielding in Australia is the toughest which is why england always had Trott near the boundary ropes.

Generally struggling sides usually need Aggressive captain to perform better and I reckon india need a Aggressive captain after 6-7 years of defensive Dhoni captaincy.

I don't see why it is harsh to bring up examples of someone displaying behaviour that is completely unacceptable. A captain sets the tone for the side. Under Smith, South Africa were a deeply unlikable side, repeatedly engaging in gamesmanship to get one over on their opposition instead of relying on their on field performance. With Smith gone, Amla has gotten rid of that, prefering to use his bat and the team's performance to do the talking.

If Kohli is to transform himself and make the most of his obvious talents as a captain then he needs to wake up and realise that he needs to model what is expected of his players.

Making_Splinters wrote:I don't see why it is harsh to bring up examples of someone displaying behaviour that is completely unacceptable. A captain sets the tone for the side. Under Smith, South Africa were a deeply unlikable side, repeatedly engaging in gamesmanship to get one over on their opposition instead of relying on their on field performance. With Smith gone, Amla has gotten rid of that, prefering to use his bat and the team's performance to do the talking.

If Kohli is to transform himself and make the most of his obvious talents as a captain then he needs to wake up and realise that he needs to model what is expected of his players.

The great aussie side was pretty unpleasant but it didn't stop them making the most of their talents. Dhoni has been too defensive and laid back in tests, so i think they could really do with some firing up. Also, Kohli is already nowhere near as bad as he was 2 or 3 years ago so I'm sure he will continue to grow and mature with experience. Michael Clarke was hardly captaincy material based on his early career either.

I will take Kohli being Aggressive and Attacking captaincy over another Dhoni type captain.
India really need a new mindset and Captain now,

Red Devil wrote:

Making_Splinters wrote:I don't see why it is harsh to bring up examples of someone displaying behaviour that is completely unacceptable. A captain sets the tone for the side. Under Smith, South Africa were a deeply unlikable side, repeatedly engaging in gamesmanship to get one over on their opposition instead of relying on their on field performance. With Smith gone, Amla has gotten rid of that, prefering to use his bat and the team's performance to do the talking.

If Kohli is to transform himself and make the most of his obvious talents as a captain then he needs to wake up and realise that he needs to model what is expected of his players.

The great aussie side was pretty unpleasant but it didn't stop them making the most of their talents. Dhoni has been too defensive and laid back in tests, so i think they could really do with some firing up. Also, Kohli is already nowhere near as bad as he was 2 or 3 years ago so I'm sure he will continue to grow and mature with experience. Michael Clarke was hardly captaincy material based on his early career either.

I don't think anyone could justifiably use the Australian team as a model of how to successfully run a team: Constantly pushing the line, having a dressing room full o players who hated each other and players with gambling problems and being passing information to bookies or doping They simply had a collection of execptional players together at the same point in time, it is often said that if a nation could field two side then Australia would have been the two best sides in the world. Those moments don't come along very often and in no way, shape or form does the current Indian side compare to that Australian side.

The game has also changed a lot since then, you can't get away with the nonsense the Australians used to pull anymore. The mental disintergration idea would simply see the players fined and banned these days, much like how you can't get away with bowling bouncer after bouncer any more.

God know what he think of Anderson then or the English bowlers.

bhaveshgor wrote:God know what he think of Anderson then or the English bowlers.

Very little actually. Praise for when they are winning games, criticism for their often childish behaviour.

I think Kohli is the right man to lead India, but he certainly does need to learn when to shut up.

One thing he must fix is the victim mentality. The past two series we've seen India get distracted by the Anderson-Jadeja spat and then Dhoni saying India are getting more duff umpiring decisions than their opponents.