There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

[Arthur Crabtree]

But I read he won't be back until half way through the India tour, suggesting he is injured. Unless that's more smokescreen.

[sussexpob]

But I read he won't be back until half way through the India tour, suggesting he is injured. Unless that's more smokescreen.

Well if he is makes a miraculous recovery for the first Indian test, I think that might piss off a few people

[braveneutral]

They've changed the contracts to make them more white ball centric.

So as I understand there are now central Test and central LO contracts.

Moeen, Joe, Stokes and Woakes the only ones to get both.

I think.

[andy]

Im suprised that Moeen got one for all formats to be honest, seems like he remains in england's plans even in tests

[Arthur Crabtree]

Only the Test contracts are full central contracts. The ODI ones are a top up of the county contract.

[braveneutral]

It's not really explained at all on what I read. It's a bit silly.

What's the difference between an incremental and the new LO contract?

[braveneutral]

Just read about it on another thread

[Dr Cricket]

Lol looks like SA A got conned they not even going to get the same tour England lions got in SA couple of years ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricke ... eries.html

SA A won't get any first class games only 3 list A games and only the full team get to play against the lions. Although SA are facing a quality side unlike the crap sides the counties send so they are getting a decent deal, but nothing like what SA provided england couple of year ago.God knows why SA even bother giving games to England lions although they have no control over the pretoria training camps since they do not own the grounds or facilities.

Yeah, South Africa are clearly getting screwed on this.

I mean, I am sure if you looked you would find tonnes of English players playing regular first class cricket in SA for their Franchise teams.... and hardly any ever come to county cricket to get experience.

Ah, no.... wait.....

Kolpack player do not count considering they can't play for SA, at a guess they probably a handful that play for SA and play county cricket and it is pretty selfish promising a same reciprocal tour and not fulfilling it.

At a best only about 18-30 overseas player can play county cricket and probably 5 at most will come from the same nation it is not the same as an A tour.
Only a deluded person would think having A tours abroad but not giving the same thing in england but instead they get county cricket is fair.
Lol even misbah couldn't find a county and you think that is fair.
Of course 20 English players playing game abroad at at most 3-5 overseas county players is fair deal lol.

[Dr Cricket]

Wonder what you lot response would be if it happens to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or West Indies since they players hardly ever get chosen for county cricket.
Can't say they don't want it since Sri Lanka and Pakistan players have tried for counties, but of course it is a fair deal playing lions cricket in the UAE and Sri Lanka but hardly any first class games in England.

[Alviro Patterson]

It's not really explained at all on what I read. It's a bit silly.

What's the difference between an incremental and the new LO contract?

Main difference is whoever has a Limited Overs contract gets £190k from the ECB in addition to match fees. I'm guessing those with an incremental contract get match fees plus a further fee based on appearances over the 12 months.

[sussexpob]

Only a deluded person would think having A tours abroad but not giving the same thing in england but instead they get county cricket is fair

Well I am glad that we agree. Just some stats I am going to leave here to re-enforce my point (not including tour matches for respective country's A/B teams).. for players to have represented South Africa this decade

Graeme Smith - Played 12 FC games for two counties.... only 5 less than how many times in played in South African Domestic teams.
Jacques Kallis - Played 22 counties games spread over two seperate seasons for Middlesex and Glamorgan
Alviro Peterson - Played 68 FC games for English counties.... he has played 64 times in South Africa
Hashim Amla - Played 20 FC games for 4 different counties
JP Duminy - Played one full season in England
Ashwell Prince - Has played 80 FC matches in England for Lancashire
Jacques Rudolph - 119 FC games in England for Glammie and Yorkshire
Dale Steyn - 13 games over two seasons with Essex and Warwickshire
Imran Tahir - 49 FC games for 4 different counties
Vernon Philander - 15 FC games in England
Dean Elgar - 5 games for Surrey
Kyle Abbott - 11 games in CC
Rabada - Just finishing a stint at Kent
Faf du Plessis - 25 FC games in CC
David Weise - Just finished half a season at Sussex. Been a pro in the Lancs league for many years before.
Morne Morkel - Played for Yorkshire
Dewald Prestorious - A full season with Warwickshire, and half a season with Durham
Wayne Parnell - 10 FC games with Sussex and Kent
Rory Klienveldt - 25 Games spread over two counties
Lonwabo Tsotsobe - Had half a season at Essex
Ryan McClaren - 58 games spread between Hampshire and Kent
Albie Morkel - Short stint with Durham
Charl Langteveldt - 21 FC matches in England


Go back another five years, Martin Jaarsveld, Andre Nel, Hall, Harris, Kemp, Robin Peterson, Dippenaar, Ackerman.... go back all the way to 1991 and that era to 2000, all their best players were county players.


But yes.... those two unofficial tests really were unfair on South Africa. To have England have 11 players who had exposure to two matches worth of FC conditions was completely unfair.

Take those 22 matches worth of experience..... well, all of the England Lions squad have the exact combined experience of playing in South Africa as Jacques Kallis' had playing in England alone.

[Dr Cricket]

Scrap that cricinfo saying SA a are playing 2 test and 3 Odi or what ever so looks Ecb are sticking to the deal signed a few years ago.

[sussexpob]

Scrap that cricinfo saying SA a are playing 2 test and 3 Odi or what ever so looks Ecb are sticking to the deal signed a few years ago.

[Dr Cricket]

Surely the blame should go to the England board or players for not playing domestic cricket in South Africa.

Be nice to see how you can explain that using Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lanka or West Indies players but of course you can't.

[Dr Cricket]

Scrap that cricinfo saying SA a are playing 2 test and 3 Odi or what ever so looks Ecb are sticking to the deal signed a few years ago.

Tbh it are the counties that are unhappy, Ecb are actually quite happy playing more lions games fitting then in the schedule in the summer is a problem especially most boards asking for reciprocal contract.
One reason Ecb only plays Sri Lanka or Pakistan.

Nice to see Ecb keep the promise though.
Really Ecb should just make a deal with bcci, ca and SA so they can join the tri and quad series they actually quite good preparation and practice.
Not sure lions are getting much out of Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
Surprised Ecb don't go in nz either unless they want a return series.