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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Gingerfinch » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:28 pm

Hopefully the Trescothick affair will give them some much needed experience when dealing with stress. Anyway, I take it Trott will have to earn his place, although he should, on paper, walk into this current team.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:37 pm

Tour Schedule for winter 2014/15 is not as intense compared to recent years with a limited overs tour of Sri Lanka in November, a triangular ODI tournament in Australia immediately before the World Cup and a 3 test match tour of West Indies immediately after the World Cup. Also the home international series with India finishes in early September so there will be plenty of time for recouperation.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:02 pm

D/L wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:...On the other hand, if Trott says he's ok to tour, then the selectors should take his word that he'll be ok, and select him.

Always mindful of the failry recent (and damaging) experience of Trescothick having said the same thing, of course.

Many would not criticise them if they said, "Thanks, but no thanks".


Quite correct. The proof on this is strictly in the pudding. I am not going to listen to the calls from other people (and Trott hasnt said a word) tell us he is raring to go. As rightly pointed out, Trescothick was raring to go before he collapsed on Heathrow's floor, clearly not wanting to get on a plane.

The nature of these illness means that until a person is integrated, you have no clue about how they will react to the situation. Its a lot like training someone to strip a gun, rebuilt it, reload it and fire it in 30 seconds..... does that make them a soldier? Can they do it in 30 seconds or at all if someone is throwing grenades over their head??

The truth is pressure made this situation, and the only answers that will come are when he produces under pressure or is comfortable in the firing line..... its pretty easy to say you are no longer suffering the effects of stress when you released a statement through a friend, while you are off on a family holiday.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Albondiga » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:02 pm

Sussexpob This is one of the few things that grates on me so I would ask you to forgive me. The saying is not 'the proof is in the pudding' but 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'

As far as Trott is concerned I would like to see him back but it is difficult. If he does manage it then it's even harder to sustain good performances.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby D/L » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:38 pm

Dr Robert wrote:Hopefully the Trescothick affair will give them some much needed experience when dealing with stress. Anyway, I take it Trott will have to earn his place, although he should, on paper, walk into this current team.

Another thing the selectors will probably be mindful of is the additional stress that Trott will now face if he does return to play test cricket and to which probably no one knows how he will react - the inevitable "sledging".
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby englandmad666 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:24 pm

Im not sure im comfortable with trott getting thrown straight back in, surely a season of county cricket will do him good and maybe if he could make himself available for winter tours then he could be reintograted into the side. This summer could be a disaster if it goes wrong for him!

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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby andy » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:31 pm

englandmad666 wrote:Im not sure im comfortable with trott getting thrown straight back in, surely a season of county cricket will do him good and maybe if he could make himself available for winter tours then he could be reintograted into the side. This summer could be a disaster if it goes wrong for him!

Another ton for woakes on tour his allround abilities really standing out



compeltely agree mate, it needs to be handled delictately and with care...he shouldn't be thrown straight back in..
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby KipperJohn » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:50 pm

Nobody on this site. least of all me, has a clue what's actually wrong with Trott. To suggest that being on tour is part of the problem, or trigger, is just making things up.

The temptation to compare him with Trescothick is obvious but very unwise - for all we know the cause and effect could be something totally different.

D/L talks about speculation in regard to KP - well the same thing applies, if not more so, to Trott.

I think it best to wave my QI 'nobody knows' card and move on.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:43 am

Just read that there is an ECB coaching video that has been sent out to all the counties whereby Giles, Flower and Cook review the whitewash, and conclude the problem was that the players didn't buy into the Flower coaching style sufficiently, particularly his 'micro management'...

There was a statement made by Dennis Amiss about IJLT, KJ, suggesting his problem was made worse by... Flower's 'micro management'.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:59 am

KipperJohn wrote:Nobody on this site. least of all me, has a clue what's actually wrong with Trott. To suggest that being on tour is part of the problem, or trigger, is just making things up.

The temptation to compare him with Trescothick is obvious but very unwise - for all we know the cause and effect could be something totally different.

D/L talks about speculation in regard to KP - well the same thing applies, if not more so, to Trott.

I think it best to wave my QI 'nobody knows' card and move on.


Not a truer word said. Amiss reckons Trott was simply burnt out, which is possible considering he has played a huge amount of cricket in the 12 months prior.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Slipstream » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:29 am

Alviro Patterson wrote:
KipperJohn wrote:Nobody on this site. least of all me, has a clue what's actually wrong with Trott. To suggest that being on tour is part of the problem, or trigger, is just making things up.

The temptation to compare him with Trescothick is obvious but very unwise - for all we know the cause and effect could be something totally different.

D/L talks about speculation in regard to KP - well the same thing applies, if not more so, to Trott.

I think it best to wave my QI 'nobody knows' card and move on.


Not a truer word said. Amiss reckons Trott was simply burnt out, which is possible considering he has played a huge amount of cricket in the 12 months prior.


Well Trott is going to be busy this year as it's his benefit year and also Cook and Bresnan's to go to.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby englandmad666 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:36 am

I know we are speculating but i think we all have trotts best interests at heart and thats probably why i think he spends the summer with warks!

I seriously hope that rumour regarding the ECB blaming the ashes defeat on the players not buying into flowers micro managment is rubbish, the real problems where on the field not off it
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby m@tt » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:05 am

KipperJohn wrote:Nobody on this site. least of all me, has a clue what's actually wrong with Trott. To suggest that being on tour is part of the problem, or trigger, is just making things up.

The temptation to compare him with Trescothick is obvious but very unwise - for all we know the cause and effect could be something totally different.

D/L talks about speculation in regard to KP - well the same thing applies, if not more so, to Trott.

I think it best to wave my QI 'nobody knows' card and move on.

On the other hand, being on tour is much more demanding than playing at home. I think it is likely that it exasperated Trott's condition, even if it wasn't a trigger. When you are struggling, being in a hotel, living our of a suitcase, a 24 hour flight away from your wife, child and family is not what you need.

But you are right in that we don't know the details, and I would not want to speculate beyond what I have already said. At this point in time, it's not for us to know the type of condition he has.
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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby sussexpob » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:10 am

Albondiga wrote:Sussexpob This is one of the few things that grates on me so I would ask you to forgive me. The saying is not 'the proof is in the pudding' but 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'

As far as Trott is concerned I would like to see him back but it is difficult. If he does manage it then it's even harder to sustain good performances.


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Re: There may be troubles ahead: England selection issues.

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:34 am

I see that Matt Prior thinks England are better off without KP, and that he thinks Cook is a phenomenal bloke......................

Oh, and can I have my job back please!

What a toadie!

I'd make him languish in the international wilderness just for being such an obvious lick spittle
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