How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:32 pm

Handy covers it.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby alfie » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:37 am

Bresnan got a lot better over the last three days :)
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:51 pm

Bresnan has to improve his death bowling for sure.Developing a yorker could make him a much better bowler than he is.Having said that, there are very few bowlers in world cricket who bowl yorkers nowadays.Although i don't rate him as strike bowler, he imo is certainly a much better bowler than the way he gave the required 12 runs of one over in just 3 balls.At least in the absence of first choice bowlers he should have lead the second choice bowling attack by example.However, it is good to see that he is now getting into double figures at good strike rate with the bat.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:27 pm

clubcricketeradi wrote:Bresnan has to improve his death bowling for sure.Developing a yorker could make him a much better bowler than he is.Having said that, there are very few bowlers in world cricket who bowl yorkers nowadays.Although i don't rate him as strike bowler, he imo is certainly a much better bowler than the way he gave the required 12 runs of one over in just 3 balls.At least in the absence of first choice bowlers he should have lead the second choice bowling attack by example.However, it is good to see that he is now getting into double figures at good strike rate with the bat.

That ignores the fluke with which his first delivery of the final over went for 4 runs. After that, short of taking a wicket, any bowler would have struggled to restrict the Aussies to 7 runs from 5 deliveries.

Bresnan has a "yorker" but it would seem a decision was made to use another tactic. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

More criticism of team tactics is deserved for the decision for Stokes, and not Jordan, to bowl the previous over.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby alfie » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:30 pm

Did a fine job for England with the bat today. Not so hot with the ball I'm afraid.

No word on the ferret front :)
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby KipperJohn » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:57 pm

Bresnan, Root and Bairstow - give them three ferrets each - a winning team if ever I saw one with the quickest drinks carrier you'll ever see.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:09 pm

alfie wrote:Did a fine job for England with the bat today. Not so hot with the ball I'm afraid...

One of the three players to justify his place today. Compare and contrast his batting with that of our other so called "all rounders" and it should be clear why he continues to be selected.

His bowling wasn't the best but, given he bowled when Warner had got his eye in and then during the batting power play, it certainly wasn't the worst on view. That would be a toss-up between Broad and Stokes.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:40 pm

alfie wrote:Did a fine job for England with the bat today. Not so hot with the ball I'm afraid.

No word on the ferret front :)


It was his innings which gave England bowlers some reasonable target to defend. It is good that he has started to contribute handy runs in three ODI matches of this series played so far.imo he paced his batting innings perfectly from what is expected of someone batting at 8 and considering the match situation today.Full points to him regarding the knock.

The problem though is with his bowling.I think the Aussie batters are targeting Bresnan as well as couple of other English bowlers and disturbing Cooks plans on field.He too is getting tonked along with other pacers.There is lot of improvement needed on his bowling.Especially the performance in the last over which lost the match will need to be erased by a spectacular spell in some other match.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:12 pm

clubcricketeradi wrote:
alfie wrote:Did a fine job for England with the bat today. Not so hot with the ball I'm afraid.

No word on the ferret front :)


It was his innings which gave England bowlers some reasonable target to defend. It is good that he has started to contribute handy runs in three ODI matches of this series played so far.imo he paced his batting innings perfectly from what is expected of someone batting at 8 and considering the match situation today.Full points to him regarding the knock.

The problem though is with his bowling.I think the Aussie batters are targeting Bresnan as well as couple of other English bowlers and disturbing Cooks plans on field.He too is getting tonked along with other pacers.There is lot of improvement needed on his bowling.Especially the performance in the last over which lost the match will need to be erased by a spectacular spell in some other match.

The match was lost when Faulkner fluked a 4 off the first ball of the last over and it was Bresnan who had earlier halted Australia's serene progress towards victory.

Of course, his bowling has not been great, but it has been better than Stokes' and Broad's and he bowls more overs during the power plays. Given the competition, Bresnan's bowling is good enough to keep him in the side and, as we have seen today, it is his batting that clinches it with the selectors. Broad showed today what a "rabbit" he has become with the bat.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:46 pm

I want to take an experienced team the the WC, but I think Bresnan is a player we can afford to go without. He doesn't offer assurance with the newer or older ball, and his batting has never been something we can rely upon, though has been an occasional bonus. He might re enter the picture with injuries. We have enough similar sorts of players who are a bit better.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:06 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I want to take an experienced team the the WC, but I think Bresnan is a player we can afford to go without. He doesn't offer assurance with the newer or older ball, and his batting has never been something we can rely upon, though has been an occasional bonus. He might re enter the picture with injuries. We have enough similar sorts of players who are a bit better.


Yes, the bowlers should do their primary job well.Otherwise the part timers (whoever they are) have to pick wickets.I think England selectors, like other teams, will pick their first choice attack (Jimmy,Broad , Finn and a specialist spinner )for world cup.Chris is likely to progress in pecking order if he continues to impress in next series as well.

England selectors realized they cannot carry Joe for his bowling.Bresnan might find himself in same situation if he continues to bowl like this.His runs will be discarded as basis of selection given the way Joe's wickets have been discarded as criteria for his selection.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby D/L » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:07 pm

clubcricketeradi wrote:Yes, the bowlers should do their primary job well.Otherwise the part timers (whoever they are) have to pick wickets...

Well, on that basis, that could be Broad, Finn, Rankin and Stokes out of the reckoning too.

The selectors know that Bresnan is worth picking and his showing in this series so far will have only reinforced that opinion.

If there are better options, why have they not gone for them?

It should be obvious that there is no parallel at all with Root's non selection.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Alviro Patterson » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:00 pm

D/L wrote:
clubcricketeradi wrote:Yes, the bowlers should do their primary job well.Otherwise the part timers (whoever they are) have to pick wickets...

Well, on that basis, that could be Broad, Finn, Rankin and Stokes out of the reckoning too.

The selectors know that Bresnan is worth picking and his showing in this series so far will have only reinforced that opinion.

If there are better options, why have they not gone for them?

It should be obvious that there is no parallel at all with Root's non selection.


Reality is there are no better quick bowling altenatives, no bowler has hardly earned their place in the team.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:02 am

Bresnanwas dropped by the selectors for the Tests, so we'll have to see if they feel the same about the ODI side.
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Re: How Good Is Timothy Bresnan?

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:59 am

Drop Bresnan and England's only experienced bowler is Stuart Broad. Chris Jordan has filled a void so it's a case of finding a 4th seamer.
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