England end KP's international career.

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Of course, playing in the County Championship is of far more intrinsic worth than playing in the IPL. It's not unusual though for mass appeal to be equated with quality and for less popular things to be denigrated. It is not a taxing thought process and can seem superficially correct to many others.

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The ECBs "stance" has been completely piontless. Most English International cricketers have tried to get into the IPL despite the ECBs stance. Even this year, Bell is trying to get a contract.

The whole bluster from the ECB has been hollow from the start.

England players in IPL auction: Ian Bell (Warks), Ravi Bopara (Essex), Jade Dernbach (Surrey), Alex Hales (Notts), Craig Kieswetter (Somerset), Azhar Mahmood, Dimitri Mascarenhas, Eoin Morgan (Middx), Samit Patel (Notts), Kevin Pietersen (Surrey), Luke Wright (Sussex)

Only one serious test contender there and Bell has the same agent as Pietersen. Perhaps he didn't have the nous not to go along with it.

There has been no bluster at all. On this, the ECB seem to be serious.

Over the years England's test players have tried to get into the IPL even Bresnan back in 2010. What has saved the ECB is quite simple, the IPL doesn't really care for English players, because they are not good enough at the format, are not marketable and will miss a large chunk of the season.

What has really saved the ECB is younger players knowing, or being well advised, that first they need to make their names in international cricket if they want to capitalise on the easy and silly money available through slogging at everything or bowling 4 overs in the IPL towards the end of their careers.

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Which explains why they continue to apply for the Auction year after year.

Well just to give more information on that......

Alistair Cook has tried more than once and was even listed in 2012 as the highest uncapped player, but has so far failed to attract one IPL bid.
Jonathan Trott has entered 3-4 times, never attracted a bid.
Ian Bell has tried 3-4 times, and was like Cook, turned down every time even though in 2012 he was ranked as joint second in terms of potential value in the auction.
Matt Prior has tried 3 times.... no bids.
Samit Patel has entered on numerous occasions.
Carberry said last summer on scoring his 1st 100 that he hoped people in India noticed because he was desperate for a chance in IPL
KP has obviously played before.
Graham Swann was the highest price tagged spinner in 2011 but failed to attract anyone for 400k..... Chawla went for nearly three times that much.
James Anderson tried about 3 times and never attracted a bid.
Stuart Broad has played many times in the IPL.
Tim Bresnan tried 2-3 times by memory, never attracted a bid.
Chris Tremlett has entered twice..no bids
Monty Panesar entered in 2011 or 2012... no bids.

Thats basically an England team that have played in the same test match in the last 1-2 years, so to say no one wants to play is pretty ridiculous....

And Just for you Yorks boys.....

Rashid, Sidebottom, Gale, Lyth, McGrath, Shehzad,Plunkett, Bresnan and Jacques Rudolph have all deemed playing in the IPL and missing the start of the county season more important than playing County Cricket, as they all put themselves forward at various times to no success while contracted to Yorkshire.

Maybe if Stokes, Bairstow and Root had more than 7 x 50's between them in nearly 150 T20 matches they may have gone for it too.... (Stokes only has 13 wickets in 41 matches/ Root has taken only 7, so not much hope being classed as an allrounder)......

Superficially, a plausible attempt to support the idea of the attraction of the IPL to players with a test future. However, all these players may have thought there was no harm trying and they may just have got an offer that would tempt them away; a bit like buying a lottery ticket, really. Would any of them have accepted any offer made? I doubt it, especially as none would likely have been high enough to tempt them away.

Broad has never played in the IPL, by the way.

[sussexpob]

Superficially, a plausible attempt to support the idea of the attraction of the IPL to players with a test future. However, all these players may have thought there was no harm trying and they may just have got an offer that would tempt them away; a bit like buying a lottery ticket, really. Would any of them have accepted any offer made? I doubt it, especially as none would likely have been high enough to tempt them away.

Broad has never played in the IPL, by the way.

An answer that only serves to highlight how little you know about the process. Every player who is in the auction would accept the contract, and do you know why??????? They have to!!!!

The player sets their own reserve amount as a minimum they would play for, taking into account at the start of the auction how many games they have committed to. One the bidder offers to match or exceed that value, depending on competition for signatures, they have legally accepted the contract offer from the player, not offered the player a contract.... thats how an auction works, once the hammer goes, BAMM, you have bought something as long as the reserve is matched.

Bell's reserve is 160,000$, so desperate for a piece of the pie that he has reduced his asking price by nearly half of his last attempt. Bresnan went even less, 100,00$ last time he tried, and considering that the team salary cap was, before this year, 15 million to fund a 16 man minimum team, you can appreciate just how low Bresnan rated his sellability........ and just how desperate he was not to play for Yorkshire before the test series.

KP has been signed at a maximum buy in clause everytime he entered, in fact someone paid him near a million dollars just to play a few matches. Cook went low first time he entered, and then tried to push himself to the maximum 400k reserve last time. Swann offered himself at 400k maximum and got decline.... I think every other English player has come close to the minimum for international capped players, somewhere around 50-100k I think.

So in truth, most of the English players have priced themselves as competitively as possible to get a contract.

[Alviro Patterson]

If that was the case then Jos Buttler would be content at Somerset as deputy wicketkeeper to Craig Keiswetter and ask his bosses if he could play some IPL cricket to pass the time, not move to Lancashire in order to improve his England chances.

Steven Davies could go down the IPL path if he wanted to, but he hasn't given up hope of an England return. Ryan Sidebottom's death over specialism would be of great interest with the IPL and who would blame him if he fancied earning some big money before retiring.

Davis entered the IPL auction in 2010 and wasnt signed, Sidebottom entered in 2010 and 2011.... wasnt signed... both were lowest tier and could be signed on a league minimum, but generated no interest.

Jos Buttler was actually told in 2011 if he went to the Champions Trophy with Somerset, Flower would not consider him for the national team (and Keiswetter)... I no doubt believe that he has been told he has a chance at a test place, but one that disappears with IPL. He is young

Difference between showing an interest and making a bid. Gary Ballance attracted IPL interest during the 2012 Twenty20 Champions League and not once entered an auction.

Jos Buttler and Craig Keiswetter did play in the 2011 CLt20 for Somerset after the England-Windies T20Is. If Andy Flower went round giving ultimatums to prospective and current England players of their CLt20 participation, either Joe Root wouldn't be seen in an England shirt or played in the 2012 CLt20 for Yorkshire.

[sussexpob]

Difference between showing an interest and making a bid. Gary Ballance attracted IPL interest during the 2012 Twenty20 Champions League and not once entered an auction.

Jos Buttler and Craig Keiswetter did play in the 2011 CLt20 for Somerset after the England-Windies T20Is. If Andy Flower went round giving ultimatums to prospective and current England players of their CLt20 participation, either Joe Root wouldn't be seen in an England shirt or played in the 2012 CLt20 for Yorkshire.

CW and JB missed the initial qualification tournament, and then missed the first couple of matches of the actual tournament, while they finished with their international T20 commitments. A statement was released at the time from England to confirm that both players were not allowed to go, and had Somerset been knocked out in the first round, they would not have played at all because of the WIndies series.

[Alviro Patterson]

Which explains why they continue to apply for the Auction year after year.

Well just to give more information on that......

Alistair Cook has tried more than once and was even listed in 2012 as the highest uncapped player, but has so far failed to attract one IPL bid.
Jonathan Trott has entered 3-4 times, never attracted a bid.
Ian Bell has tried 3-4 times, and was like Cook, turned down every time even though in 2012 he was ranked as joint second in terms of potential value in the auction.
Matt Prior has tried 3 times.... no bids.
Samit Patel has entered on numerous occasions.
Carberry said last summer on scoring his 1st 100 that he hoped people in India noticed because he was desperate for a chance in IPL
KP has obviously played before.
Graham Swann was the highest price tagged spinner in 2011 but failed to attract anyone for 400k..... Chawla went for nearly three times that much.
James Anderson tried about 3 times and never attracted a bid.
Stuart Broad has played many times in the IPL.
Tim Bresnan tried 2-3 times by memory, never attracted a bid.
Chris Tremlett has entered twice..no bids
Monty Panesar entered in 2011 or 2012... no bids.

Thats basically an England team that have played in the same test match in the last 1-2 years, so to say no one wants to play is pretty ridiculous....

and how many of these players are/were England T20i regulars, or at least regularly played in the FLt20?

And Just for you Yorks boys.....

Rashid, Sidebottom, Gale, Lyth, McGrath, Shehzad,Plunkett, Bresnan and Jacques Rudolph have all deemed playing in the IPL and missing the start of the county season more important than playing County Cricket, as they all put themselves forward at various times to no success while contracted to Yorkshire.

Yorkshire players are (or were) contractually not allowed to play in the IPL

Maybe if Stokes, Bairstow and Root had more than 7 x 50's between them in nearly 150 T20 matches they may have gone for it too.... (Stokes only has 13 wickets in 41 matches/ Root has taken only 7, so not much hope being classed as an allrounder)......

Bairstow and Root achieved England recognition through strong County Championship performances, their reputation in domestic one day cricket is limited. Joe Root mainly bowls in the opening over of a T20 match for tactical reasons and isn't used as a frontline bowler.

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Superficially, a plausible attempt to support the idea of the attraction of the IPL to players with a test future. However, all these players may have thought there was no harm trying and they may just have got an offer that would tempt them away; a bit like buying a lottery ticket, really. Would any of them have accepted any offer made? I doubt it, especially as none would likely have been high enough to tempt them away.

Broad has never played in the IPL, by the way.

An answer that only serves to highlight how little you know about the process. Every player who is in the auction would accept the contract, and do you know why??????? They have to!!!!

The player sets their own reserve amount as a minimum they would play for, taking into account at the start of the auction how many games they have committed to. One the bidder offers to match or exceed that value, depending on competition for signatures, they have legally accepted the contract offer from the player, not offered the player a contract.... thats how an auction works, once the hammer goes, BAMM, you have bought something as long as the reserve is matched.

Bell's reserve is 160,000$, so desperate for a piece of the pie that he has reduced his asking price by nearly half of his last attempt. Bresnan went even less, 100,00$ last time he tried, and considering that the team salary cap was, before this year, 15 million to fund a 16 man minimum team, you can appreciate just how low Bresnan rated his sellability........ and just how desperate he was not to play for Yorkshire before the test series.

KP has been signed at a maximum buy in clause everytime he entered, in fact someone paid him near a million dollars just to play a few matches. Cook went low first time he entered, and then tried to push himself to the maximum 400k reserve last time. Swann offered himself at 400k maximum and got decline.... I think every other English player has come close to the minimum for international capped players, somewhere around 50-100k I think.

So in truth, most of the English players have priced themselves as competitively as possible to get a contract.

Forgive me for knowing little of anything to do with the IPL.

I’m sure though that many of our players will have put their names forward on the off chance of a silly bid.

You say the players have to accept a contract, if offered. It’s difficult to see how that particular rule of the IPL auction could be enforced in law, if it ever came to it. This is probably a factor too in the minds of the players.

Perhaps you too don’t know that much about it, or at least not as much as you think you do.

[Alviro Patterson]

Small matter of any player being granted a No Objection Certificate before playing any IPL match. If a County objects, then that is the end of the matter.

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Small matter of any player being granted a No Objection Certificate before playing any IPL match. If a County objects, then that is the end of the matter.

Of course, yes. Wouldn't it be amusing if Surrey did this with Pietersen?

[Alviro Patterson]

Small matter of any player being granted a No Objection Certificate before playing any IPL match. If a County objects, then that is the end of the matter.

Of course, yes. Wouldn't it be amusing if Surrey did this with Pietersen?

Oh if only, just a shame Surrey have catered to KPs wishes by offering a Twenty20 contract and a flexible County Championship/One Day arrangement. I'm sure a few of his team-mates won't be best pleased, especially if a player in decent form gets dropped for KP.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I'm sure a few of his team-mates won't be best pleased, especially if a player in decent form gets dropped for KP.

Weren't they relegated last season?

In T20, it's great signing for Surrey. In most polls, about 80% felt the ECB got it wrong in sacking KP. I can imagine there will be a lot of goodwill and sympathy towards Kevin around the grounds.

[sussexpob]

Small matter of any player being granted a No Objection Certificate before playing any IPL match. If a County objects, then that is the end of the matter.

Of course, yes. Wouldn't it be amusing if Surrey did this with Pietersen?

So its not enough to take the man's international career, you would prefer that the ECB also refused to grant him clearance from the "future tours programme" and refuse him the certification required to seal an IPL contract and continue to earn a living in cricket? Not only that, but you would be amused? Sorry, that only highlights how spiteful and toxic your motivations are towards said individual.

BTW, he isnt obliged to do anything for England or Surrey in this period so the ECB, far from getting their own back, would end up footing the bill of his contract in the IPL and subsequent damages to his future career and reputation on the grounds of restraint of trade.

[sussexpob]

I'm sure a few of his team-mates won't be best pleased, especially if a player in decent form gets dropped for KP.

Weren't they relegated last season?

In T20, it's great signing for Surrey. In most polls, about 80% felt the ECB got it wrong in sacking KP. I can imagine there will be a lot of goodwill and sympathy towards Kevin around the grounds.

It gets better..... so now its unfair that Surrey sign England's top run scorer because some poor guy nowhere near as good cant play anymore.....

[sussexpob]

and how many of these players are/were England T20i regulars, or at least regularly played in the FLt20?

Not seeing the relevance of this comment. The argument is that the IPL is attracting people to play over county cricket and the possibility people will play IPL instead of practicing in the CC for test matches. KP was considered spiteful for doing this..... The fact that our basic starting test team from 2012 have all tried to sign IPL contracts would show that the players are less committed then you would think.

And for T20 "specialist internationals", you may forget that Luke Wright, Alex Hales, Bopara, Morgan,Dernbach, Collingwood, (who was captain of the England T20 at the time) have all played, or made multiple attempts to play, IPL. So not really just those players I highlighted, basically everyone established more than a couple of years in the international scene has tried at some point.

Yorkshire players are (or were) contractually not allowed to play in the IPL

Simply because in 2009 or 2010, cant remember when, they had 6 first team players enter the auction, and would have had to play a B team for two months of county cricket.

I dont really know how that comment helps the argument that players prefer the CC.... in fact surely it proves the demand to play is having to be legally curbed by the team?

I wonder how many of your talents will find other counties in the future if they are continued to be prevented, and have a realistic chance of getting an IPL contract?

Bairstow and Root achieved England recognition through strong County Championship performances, their reputation in domestic one day cricket is limited. Joe Root mainly bowls in the opening over of a T20 match for tactical reasons and isn't used as a frontline bowler.

The IPL auctions of previous years have proved that the Indian fans either want T20 specialists of high quality on an International level, or test match legends like Kallis.... there isnt really a place in the IPL for players who have limited inpact in county IPL scene.