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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:35 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:At the end of the day, I think all people want is a detailed explination of what really went on.


All will be revealed in due course, probably once Peter Moores is appointed as England Head Coach.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Gingerfinch » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:54 pm

mikesiva wrote:I am amused at the way English journalists have changed their tune on Petersen and Natal. When Petersen was the media darling the English story was that Natal practised a quota system that discriminated against white players and drove Petersen and drove him to England. Now the story is that the behaviour of Petersen proved to be not worth the bother of teams like Natal.
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Wasn't KP a dodgy off spinner who batted at eight, when he arrived in england? Natal obviously didn't spot his potential with the bat.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Slipstream » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:07 am

KipperJohn wrote:There were so many problems on this tour that I expect most of us have lost count. However to us mere onlookers it would appear that two very quick decisions have been made - and surprise, surprise - Flower and KP have both gone -the latter for good it seems.

Apart from the T20 stuff the next Test isn't until June - I wouldn't have expected the results of a major review for at least another month or so, given Downton has only just taken up his job.

They've hardly had time to get over all the jet lag - perhaps that explains things.......


Yes I found it surprising that they didn't wait for the review but it seemed Downton was doing the review out in Australia during the ODIs and then back in England with players not selected for the shorter forms. I imagined that KP would have been selected for the 20/20 World Cup and WI and then the review.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:16 am

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Postby D/L » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:50 am

m@tt wrote:...I'm not sure I'd call him an "unsavoury character"...

It doesn't seem too inappropriate a description of someone who admitted sending text messages insulting his captain to members of the opposing team, m@tt.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:21 pm

ECB statement due shortly.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:18 pm

ECB cock up again. Statement was supposed to be released over an hour ago.

I bet they release it after midnight when most papers have gone to print.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby m@tt » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:56 pm

D/L wrote:
m@tt wrote:...I'm not sure I'd call him an "unsavoury character"...

It doesn't seem too inappropriate a description of someone who admitted sending text messages insulting his captain to members of the opposing team, m@tt.

As my post later said, that was indeed an savoury incident. I don't think that is his norm - his norm, at least from what i can tell, is more being a prat rather than being a nasty person. And for the record, I supporting his dropping then (on the basis that he was given plenty of opportunities to explain himself but refused).
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:13 pm

ECB revise the time of statement release to 6pm and guess what?

Still no statement.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:20 pm

Statement finally here and it's the usual load of cobblers -

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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:39 pm

It's basically a load of legal-speak just telling Sneers Morgan to keep his sticky beak out of it.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby D/L » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:22 pm

Aidan11 wrote:Statement finally here and it's the usual load of cobblers -

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/ecb- ... -statement

On the contrary, whilst obviously restricted by contractual requirements, the stated need for players to be able to trust each other says plenty, really. Pietersen's texts were a serious breach of trust within the dressing room and it seems quite possible that things that have happened since, things that cannot be divulged at the moment, did not suggest that trust could be built.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby sussexpob » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:35 pm

Utter nonsense that will not even come close to appeasing the fans that pay the ECB's wages.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby KipperJohn » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:45 pm

D/L wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:Statement finally here and it's the usual load of cobblers -

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/ecb- ... -statement

On the contrary, whilst obviously restricted by contractual requirements, the stated need for players to be able to trust each other says plenty, really. Pietersen's texts were a serious breach of trust within the dressing room and it seems quite possible that things that have happened since, things that cannot be divulged at the moment, did not suggest that trust could be built.


If there has been a confidentiality agreement signed by both parties as part of the severance terms, then if anybody party to that agreement breaks it, it is a breach of contract and can be pursued through the courts. In such circumstances the issues can't be divulged at all without the risk of subsequent legal action.

It seems highly unlikely to me that the public will ever know - so I'm going to close my comments on this thread. I'm not interested in guesswork.
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Re: England end KP's international career.

Postby #Brown » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:58 pm

Used the leak to Morgan as a veiled example of the breaches of trust they are referring too...one subsequent to events and therefore probably bound by any agreement. Maybe all they could do.

This of course all assumes that the leak came from Pietersen. If so it's hard not to see their point - i.e. self interest in divulging the info to manipulate media and save face, when given a little thought, it's obvious that it would only be detrimental to Prior, Cook et al.
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